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Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-10 08:08:05

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When asked to take 30 day vacation from doing work for Harmony clan, I refused to do so.

Do you recall approximately when this was?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-10 10:18:57


Harmony 
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Do you recall approximately when this was?

The forced vacations were supposed to last from October 27th to November 27th.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:02:20


Texx 
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Ok. This has become quite the popular thread. I get it, everyone loves drama. Don’t you dare pretend you don’t! :P

I see this clarification thread has sparked the curiosity of the Drama Vultures, so if you’ll indulge me, I will release my statement about what happened, why Eternity was kicked from Harmony, and then a “little” response to something Eternity said in a game chat to Bod that irked me, but thought I’d say it here since it gives context and I was going to post the first part anyway.

And before you tell me… Yes! I know! I probably take a game too seriously, but I am Texx!!! …and I am an addict. 😅
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:04:58


stefano36000 
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Hello Texx, this is a safe space to share. Thanks for attending this meeting.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:06:17


0zark Girl
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Makes popcorn in anticipation of said drama and for the drama vultures, they love popcorn too
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:12:15


Melody 
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Ozark pls share
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:13:25


Cicero_ 
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ufff, I see a lot of hype here, dont create that much expectations!! just tell what happened :D
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:14:54


0zark Girl
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shares popcorn with our Tactique, regular and cheese flavor too
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:16:55


Texx 
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The Eternity Situation

Eternity did a lot for Harmony. He was a beacon in the dark when the clan was new and needed direction. He recruited a TON of people, including myself.

He built the house. He built it big and strong, but dull and boring. He then disappeared for 6 months and new, motivated managers such as myself, WarTog, Bodski & Yeller, did a lot to make this house more comfortable.

Then Eternity came back and wanted to meddle with everything. He was basically like, “Screw all these decorations! That ping pong table? Imma replace it with a piano! Those bean bags? Imma replace it with a couch!“ and we were like, “But we really like ping pong and bean bags!” his response: “I’m going to do what I think is best for the clan. Your opinion doesn’t matter.”

When we demoted him for abusing his manager rights by muting a player during an argument, he got worse. We realised that he thinks the house is his because he created it, when in reality he was just a contractor employed by the OG managers (Nave, Kcebnroh, Kallisti, MrPotato, TorquoiseGamer & Hodop), and that sense of ownership is why he changed his name to “Harmony”, not because of his love for it as he likes to claim, but because he wanted people to think he was the true leader after his “punishment”.

He then spammed a bunch of tournaments, creating 36 tournaments in 2 days as a “Fuck you! I still have power!” type thing to the managers, since him creating his own tournament series when we already had a weekly tournament series, without first consulting other managers, was a point of conflict.

Response to Eternity

“I supported us during 16th season of Clan League. I helped to manage Clan League to my best ability too.”


If that was the best of your ability, then your skills are extremely lacking mate.

Your support? You underperformed in CL16, even booting from a game, then disappeared for 6 months.

Your ability to manage the CL team? Well, rather than submitting templates to the template panel that suited our squad’s abilities, you wanted to submit your personally created templates (the ones you use for your tournaments), despite them holding no historic value in the competitive Warzone community, thus disqualifying them as templates that could be used for CL. Thus wasting our votes.

On top of this, you were incredibly ignorant to our players’ skills, specialties and accomplishments. Foremost mine and Bodski’s. When told you were wrong, instead of trying to learn like a good leader, in classic Eternity fashion, you doubled down and were overly stubborn about your misconceptions.

Don’t be mistaken, your ability as a leader didn’t come into question because of your abuse of manager powers in Clan Chat, but well before that with incidents like this.

Like how when you came back from your hiatus, you tried to tamper with our consistently record breaking Clan Wars formula, being overly adamant about your outdated tactics.

Like your unwillingness to work with me on your own tournament things and make sure templates didn’t clash, or renaming it so that it wasn’t “HT” (Harmony Tournament), or working with me on the release schedule of tournaments so that our members weren’t overwhelmed. Your opinion was that the onus is on the players to not bite off more than they can chew, when mine was we have a duty of care. Fast forward a month and many members had >100 games and were booting left and right.

Also, simple things like the message to players kicked for inactivity. I wanted a short message to let them know if they ever come back, they’re welcome back in Harmony. You wanted a massive thesis on why booting inactives is necessary.

Your management style lacked empathy and social intellect. Combine that with your strong self belief and stubbornness and it’s a recipe for disaster. Your plans are often wrong because they lack the “human element”, and when told so, you are unwilling to change them. Your work is appreciated. If you were sane and sociable, you and I would get on like a house on fire and Harmony would be unstoppable. It’s such a shame, but your personality is not a good fit for Harmony.

Edited 4/11/2024 13:26:31
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:20:18


Cicero_ 
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I'm a millennial so I cannot read more than two paragraphs.
I will wait till they release the movie.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:33:24


Melody 
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Yummy popcorn *pours caramel* caramel and cheese so good :D
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 13:44:19


0zark Girl
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Texx,
Thanks for always putting what's best for the clan first,
(no matter how painful) and thank you for all you have done for us here.
I watched as you and the other managers formed us into a super fun clan with great chat and...
drumroll, currently, the top rated clan in clan wars, :)

PS
This stuff makes me glad I don't have to do manager stuff,
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 14:12:19


Doctor K 
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Just Waiting for someone to hijack this thread for their own, nefarious, purposes.

:: Munches popcorn ::

Edited 4/11/2024 14:29:14
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 14:57:28


Harmony 
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I get it, everyone loves drama. Don’t you dare pretend you don’t! :P

Our community is advertised as calm and chill place. Drama is bad for Harmony clan image and hurts our recruitment efforts.

I see this clarification thread has sparked the curiosity of the Drama Vultures, so if you’ll indulge me

"Drama Vultures" are not part of Harmony community and it's not our business to represent their wishes.

I will release my statement about what happened

Do your best to stay honest, otherwise I'm going to fact check you.

I probably take a game too seriously, but I am Texx!!!

What you actually take too seriously is your own ego.


He then disappeared for 6 months

I had to do some important things in real life during that time period.

Then Eternity came back and wanted to meddle with everything.

I did not meddle with anything. I respected the work of other managers.

his response: “I’m going to do what I think is best for the clan. Your opinion doesn’t matter.”

I never said that your opinion doesn't matter. I was always willing to discuss differing opinions. I did not interfere with Clan League or Clan Wars management. My recruitment efforts were approved by other managers. My created Harmony tournaments has a consistent player audience and overall were received positively. When some players during October were unhappy with tournament amount, the amount of tournaments has been decreased for upcoming months. During December I also did a Harmony player experience survey to make sure that I represent the wishes of our community better.

Claiming that "I am tyrant" or "ignorant of other opinions" is blatantly false.

When we demoted him for abusing his manager rights by muting a player during an argument

For context purposes, before the demotion happened, I made it clear that mute was a mistake and that I was not going to repeat same mistake again.

We realised that he thinks the house is his because he created it

I never claimed any ownership over Harmony clan. I was always fine with work of other managers.

that sense of ownership is why he changed his name to “Harmony”, not because of his love for it as he likes to claim, but because he wanted people to think he was the true leader after his “punishment”.

What exactly made you come to this conclusion? I never proclaimed to be a "leader". I always viewed other managers as equals. The reason why I changed my name to "Harmony" is because I love our clan.

He then spammed a bunch of tournaments, creating 36 tournaments in 2 days


I already addressed this before in the following thread: https://www.warzone.com/Forum/683120-warzone-community-newsletter?Offset=120

Here's the full quote from that thread:
The tournaments originally were planned to be made on a similar manner as 2022 October-November tournaments. There are 11 Clan League templates, so each template receives 1 double elimination tournament for players with less time and one or two round robin tournaments (I can only invite 160 players to 1v1 round robins, so that's why I make 2 of those.)

During October there were 2 delays. One involved my computer breaking and having to find a replacement and another involved hitting maximum tournament limit and having to find workarounds for it. For this reason in order to make all tournaments before November 1st, I had to make a lot of tournaments in a span of 3 days.

The reason Why I wanted to make all tournaments before November 1st was that Clan League roster needs to be submitted before December 17th and after tournaments start, some time needs to pass to get some finished games. One goal with these tournaments was to provide players with extra experience and another goal was to help discover players with better playing talent. During August a large amount of new players joined us, so these tournaments were a good way of better understanding our player skill level.

These tournaments followed a schedule and a tradition set in 2022 October-November. These tournaments were not a response to my manager right removal. I was calm during the whole process. The kick from Harmony came as a surprise as I was doing my normal work routine and at the time was doing another one of my player recruitment pushes.



If that was the best of your ability, then your skills are extremely lacking mate.

What about these 3 games Texx?
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33335555
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35417195
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=36539862

rather than submitting templates to the template panel that suited our squad’s abilities, you wanted to submit your personally created templates

There were 5 managers involved in the template suggestion process and I suggested that each manager proposes 3 different templates. The final template list was approved by Nave, who was the primary Clan League manager for our clan. There were no major issues with template suggestion at the time.

On top of this, you were incredibly ignorant to our players’ skills, specialties and accomplishments. Foremost mine and Bodski’s.

Alright then. Here's the link to the Volcano Islands 2v2 game: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35889798

Prior to the game I closely analyzed previous Bodski's Clan Wars games and after looking at them I had some doubts regarding his skill level. I voiced this to Nave and we together eventually decided that it would be best to have 1 test game for Bodski. In the Volcano Islands 2v2 game Bodski had all the opportunities to dispel my doubts, but he not even once attempted to make team suggestions.

Bodski near immediately started complaining in public chat and then started to complain in Clan League roster chat game. I and Nave later talked about it and decided that it's not worth the drama and Bodski can have his 2 slots.


Like how when you came back from your hiatus, you tried to tamper with our consistently record breaking Clan Wars formula, being overly adamant about your outdated tactics.


I do not remember this, so you most likely are overexaggerating. As far as I remember, I gave some suggestions and that was the end of it. Clan Wars managers were not impressed by the suggestion and I respected their decision to stick to current methods. Giving suggestions does not equal "tampering".

Like your unwillingness to work with me on your own tournament things and make sure templates didn’t clash

Prior to restarting my tournament series I at least once talked to you about this in our clan chat. I specifically went with ratio 25% of tournaments using unique settings and the rest 75% were either Clan Wars or Clan League template. The purpose of these 75% templates was to help our players to respectively prepare better for Clan League or Clan Wars.

Fast forward a month and many members had >100 games and were booting left and right.

How many exactly? Can you give me some numbers? Based on my checks most of the players joined responsible and a few players who joined more tournaments, might have had enough free time for it.

My tournaments were always optional to join. After I was informed at some point of this possible issue, I started to include a clear disclaimer to make sure that all the players are well informed.

Also, simple things like the message to players kicked for inactivity. I wanted a short message to let them know if they ever come back, they’re welcome back in Harmony. You wanted a massive thesis on why booting inactives is necessary.

Kick messages were a team effort. I only proposed the initial draft and the final message was proposed by another manager. I supported the final message.

The final kick message was primarily 3 paragraphs totaling 221 words in length. My suggested draft was 241 words long. Texx himself approved the final 221 word version, so are 221 words short enough while 241 words magically become "massive thesis"?


Your management style lacked empathy and social intellect.

False. I primarily focused on recruiting new players and had full trust in other managers to do a good job. I didn't talk much, in clan chat, but it was because I was spending most of time trying to recruit more players, so we could form a more active Clan Wars roster.

Combine that with your strong self belief and stubbornness and it’s a recipe for disaster.

I am not stubborn. These are some of examples:
  • Always fully cooperated with Nave on Clan League management.
  • When it came to kicking inactive players, all the suggestions of other managers were respected.
  • During November the amount of created tournaments was sharply reduced.
  • I respect new player recruitment windows (no new recruits 7 days before Clan Wars season end and 1 day after that)


Your plans are often wrong because they lack the “human element”, and when told so, you are unwilling to change them.

False. 2023 December Harmony Player Experience Survey results were fully respected by me. For example I changed what templates and settings I used in my tournaments to better accommodate wishes of our community.

If you were sane and sociable

I am sane and sociable. Very few players have any issues with me. I always do my best to be diplomatic and respectful in my communications

It’s such a shame, but your personality is not a good fit for Harmony.

Your lies are not a good fit for your reputation Texx.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 15:25:42


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Some insights and opinions from the global chat:


And in plain text:
yooo fire response
you guys
i know you like drama
but i dont wanna meddle with the harmony post
heres some information for yu
In CL 16 for harmony, Bodski had the second highest win ratio (5W 1L) after Bechaa.
And from that squad he was the only player Eternity firmly believed should be tested so they can prove their skill.
So this whole evaluation of the skill of the player sounds more like a blatant lie to bench someone you have differences with and not evaluation of skill.
source https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oVI29Qupn9jqAZ1eBbzvewCjzlDTZZsdBkYLAOy6crs/edit#gid=1710119358
who's gonna spill the tea in the post now?


Edited 4/11/2024 15:36:44
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 15:31:02


Bahamut Rojo
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i see you referenced this game in volcano islands, saying bodski "has room to improve"

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35837836

please. both players played superb. i would have done no better than bodski, and im 5th on ladder

EDIT: Thanks texx for shedding some light into the drama. i think its clear to everyone inside and outside harmony. Thread closed?

Edited 4/11/2024 15:55:05
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 15:43:36


GiantFrog 
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fish
fresh
frosty
frog



your opinion doesn't matter

list:

  • You can make a bulleted list
  • This is a quote.




Reading this kdrama-script has made me noticeably dumber, however, paradoxically i now feel smarter as my self-image is based on comparing myself to others.

I have no suggestions



Thank you

Edited 4/11/2024 15:44:38
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 15:45:43


FiveSmith 
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Btw, we finally have the famous 2v2 volcano game leaked!
Posting it here for those, who don't really all those big posts:
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35889798

Alright then. Here's the link to the Volcano Islands 2v2 game: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35889798

Prior to the game I closely analyzed previous Bodski's Clan Wars games and after looking at them I had some doubts regarding his skill level. I voiced this to Nave and we together eventually decided that it would be best to have 1 test game for Bodski. In the Volcano Islands 2v2 game Bodski had all the opportunities to dispel my doubts, but he not even once attempted to make team suggestions.

Bodski near immediately started complaining in public chat and then started to complain in Clan League roster chat game. I and Nave later talked about it and decided that it's not worth the drama and Bodski can have his 2 slots.


Edited 4/11/2024 15:46:47
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 16:05:36


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In CL 16 for harmony, Bodski had the second highest win ratio (5W 1L) after Bechaa.

Bodski was on the same team as καλλιστηι and Texx. He had no 1v1 slots. Due to the nature of team games it could be the case that one player (for example Texx) could do most of the work on the team. When it comes to determining skill level, 1v1 games are better as in them it would only be one player and he would have to make all decisions on his own.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35837836
please. both players played superb. i would have done no better than bodski, and im 5th on ladder


Some of my thoughts about that game:
  • Bodski did absolutely nothing about 1st turn bonus in Scandinavia.
  • If Bodski lost his 3rd pick in Antarctica and got his 5th pick in Australia, he would be likely to have some issues.
  • Bodski had a starting pick in West China, but did nothing there for many turns. Bodski could try to complete West China if he felt opponent was not there (suspected a likely 1st turn likely Scandinavia start) or could take Inner Mongolia, then Mongolia and if opponent is in Central Russia, then take Western Siberia.
  • Bodski should have considered opponent likely having Scandinavia, which together with South America would put him at 12 income. If Bodski wanted to farm reinforcements, taking Philippines would only needed +1 extra deploy.
  • Bodski should have blockaded Scott instead of South Pole (South Pole could be taken the same turn by opponent). If Bodski checked history of previous turns, he could determine that he had 1st move order during that turn and could have safely transferred South Pole armies to Scott.
  • Tomsk was a critical counter for West China and opponent was likely expanding in that direction. Using a 1 army tap on Tomsk and then not taking it the same turn, would leave it as 3 army neutral, which could alert opponent to Bodski's plans. Also that 1 army tap might have been better used as a delay move.


Those observations are based on quick glance, I probably can find a few more issues if I look deeper into the game.



To make it short, In team games it can be hard to determine which player is responsible for most of the decisions and Bodski's play in his 1v1 games caused me some suspicions. All I wanted was to play a team game with Bodski and see how he handles team play. Perhaps some of his previous games did not depict him at his best, so playing that 2v2 Volcano Islands game would have been the best way of evaluating Bodski's skill level at that time.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 18:25:22


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I don't think that my play in a 1v1 QM offers much in terms of the question at hand, which was: 'Should Bod be on both of Texx's teams in CL'.

Multi-day is a very different game than QM to me.

Team games are very different again.

I could share team games where my team kicks Texx's ass, but that seems unnecessary.

The obvious question there should have been, who is best to determine which player should be on Texx's team, Eternity or Texx ?

(Eternity still seems to have the incorrect answer to this one)
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