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Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 13:18:00


Harmony 
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For further clarity, I am asking if YOU think that you were best placed to assess my suitability as a partner for Texx and my skill level are two different things.

Our job was to ensure that team leaders are strong players and other team players were talented people who could improve fast. The idea was that team leaders would carry the team and then other players gain some experience and become much more prepared for future seasons.

Just because you're a suitable partner, it doesn't mean that you're the only player in Harmony clan who would be suitable to play with Texx. Nave and I had been evaluating multiple other players at the time and we had witnessed that there were many players who were friendly, were eager to contribute to team work and wanted to improve as players. Giving Bodski 2 slots would mean that one of these players would get 0 spots and it was not fair.


Was your purpose to assess my suitability to play with Texx (your previous claims) or was your purpose to remove me from playing both templates so that I would just play one template with Texx (your latest claim) ?

As I mentioned before, at the time it seemed like there were many suitable players for Texx. 1 slot was not an issue, because we wanted players to get Clan League experience and learn from it. 2 slots meant that someone else was not going to get 1 slot, so if you wanted to have 2 slots, you had to offer something special. Being suitable for Texx was not good enough.

Bodski being on 2 slots would require him to demonstrate a higher level of skill. It was important to be sure that if Bodski is on the team, he could provide high quality observations. If Bodski doesn't contribute much to team strategy, then it was better for him to have just 1 team slot as it would allow an additional player to play in Clan League and learn through experience.

If at the the end of day Texx is making 99+% of team's decisions, then it's not as important who his team mates are. If Texx is going to be making overwhelming majority of team's decisions, it would be better to pair him with more players. If It's only Texx-Bodski pairing, then only one player (Bodski) gets an opportunity to learn through example, while if Texx plays with 2 different players, it would double the amount of people who could improve, so it would be a better situation.


In short, it was important to know if Bodski could offer quality suggestions for Texx. Based on Bodski's recent Clan Wars 1v1 performance there were doubts regarding Bodski's skill level. If it was determined that Bodski would be unable to provide good team suggestions, there would be no need for him to have 2 slots.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 13:53:25


Bodski 
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So, let me see if I understand this:

1. If I was not suitably skilled, I would only get one template; but
2. If I was suitably skilled, I would get two templates.

Is that correct ?

Edited 4/12/2024 14:12:54
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 14:17:54


Harmony 
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1. If I was not suitably skilled, I would only get one template; but
2. If I was suitably skilled, I would get two templates.

Is that correct ?


100% correct. The purpose of 2v2 Volcano Islands game was to determine your current level of skill.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 14:56:41


7ate9 
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this feels like a Turing Test where everyone is trying to figure out whether eternity is an actual human or an AI.
Or I'm biased cause I saw ex machina recently. Cool movie though, features https://youtu.be/uUqcBwQjj4k , amazing song.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 15:29:37


Bodski 
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So if I was 100% correct, what was all of the stuff you wrote about ?

'evaluating multiple other players at the time and we had witnessed that there were many players who were friendly, were eager to contribute to team work and wanted to improve as players. Giving Bodski 2 slots would mean that one of these players would get 0 spots and it was not fair.'

If it was a 100% an assessment of my ability as you now claim, then the above part is completely redundant. I don't know why you would post any of that.




You seem to be saying that you set up a test which was deliberately unfair:

Option 1 - Eternity decides that Bodski is suitably skilled - but that is unfair since 'Giving Bodski 2 slots would mean that one of these players would get 0 spots and it was not fair'.

Option 2 - Eternity decides that Bodski is not suitably skilled.

So either you would come to a conclusion which you believe was unfair, or you would come to the conclusion that I should only have one slot.

The ONLY fair conclusion you could reach (according only to the words you have used in this thread) was to allocate me one template. This means that the test was a pointless sham, maybe this is why some people were concerned that your actions may be to deliberately sabotage the team. I never thought that by the way. I just thought that you were using your perceived power to try to put me in what you thought was my suitable place.




This brings me back to the key point which I should like you to focus on:

Do you think that you were best placed to assess my suitability as a partner for Texx ?

When you replied to this you did not answer the question. You waffled a little but I don't know if you still believe that you were indeed best placed to determine if I am a suitable partner for Texx.

For clarity, I think that it is obvious that Texx and I are best placed to assess whether or not I am a suitable partner for Texx and when asked for his top 3, from a set of players, with many who are more highly skilled than me, Texx listed 1. Bod, 2. Bod, 3. Bod.




There is another point which you seem to have always missed, which is that there is a considerable difference between the skill level I am able to demonstrate when playing with you and the whole package of mine and Texx's suitability as teammates. To my way of thinking, skill level is a small piece of that pie.

You still seem unable to grasp that concept.

Edited 4/12/2024 15:33:20
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 16:14:35


Harmony 
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If it was a 100% an assessment of my ability as you now claim, then the above part is completely redundant. I don't know why you would post any of that.

Skill assessment was for 2nd slot. I mentioned that more eager to learn friendly players existed to let you know that there were more players wanting to have 1 team game slot.

It's important to understand that different set of standards were used for 1st team game slot and 2nd team game slot. 1st slot would require friendly attitude and will to improve skill level. 2nd team game slot would require actual skill demonstration.


Option 1 - Eternity decides that Bodski is suitably skilled - but that is unfair since 'Giving Bodski 2 slots would mean that one of these players would get 0 spots and it was not fair'.

If Bodski is suitably skilled, he would fall into a different category. If his skill level was high enough, he would be considered someone who could act as team leader and carry the team to the victory. Under these circumstances it would be determined that Bodski can have more slots as it would allow us to do better in Clan League. For example most of our top players had 2-3 slots, and they had extra slots because of their high level of skill.

So either you would come to a conclusion which you believe was unfair, or you would come to the conclusion that I should only have one slot.

If player demonstrates a high level of skill, it is fair for him to have 2 slots. If a player demonstrates lower skill level, it is not fair for him to have 2 team slots.

The ONLY fair conclusion you could reach (according only to the words you have used in this thread) was to allocate me one template.

False, the reason why Volcano Islands 2v2 game was made, was because Nave and I were undecided on the situation. The conclusion would be based on your performance in that game and Nave and I would have done our best to assess your skill level fairly.


Do you think that you were best placed to assess my suitability as a partner for Texx ?

It was never a question that you should play with Texx, the question was whether you should play 1 or 2 slots.

I believe you base suitability on how close of a friend you are to someone. I base suitability on demonstrated skill level. My goal is to evaluate things like the quality of move suggestions, the speed of communication, ability to remain calm and so on... I have experience leading teams in the past and have beaten many strong players as well. I was sufficiently qualified to assess your suitability for 2nd team slot.

I think that it is obvious that Texx and I are best placed to assess whether or not I am a suitable partner for Texx

That might not be the case. When someone is close friend to someone, they might overlook some of their flaws. On top of that there were many players who wished to help us out in Clan League and giving you extra slot would mean disappointing some other players.

Look at things this way. Let's say a random Harmony player makes a claim that he is best suited for X template. Then 2nd player shows up and says he's best suitable for same X template. If you follow the logic same templates might be demanded by multiple players. At this point it would become necessary for Clan League managers to decided which one of these "best suited" players would get the slots.

When it comes to assigning slots, there were much more players on our roster than Texx and Bodski. Nave and I were trying to form a roster which would suit the needs of everyone, not just Texx and Bodski.

when asked for his top 3, from a set of players, with many who are more highly skilled than me, Texx listed 1. Bod, 2. Bod, 3. Bod.

Texx was not the one in charge of final clan roster. Furthermore Texx and Bodski already were on one team together. There's a limited amount of slots available and satisfying everyone is impossible. At some point some player had to get 0 or less than expected amount of slots. Clan League only offers 18 slots in total and our clan had many more interested players than 18.


there is a considerable difference between the skill level I am able to demonstrate when playing with you and the whole package of mine and Texx's suitability as teammates.

The least you could have done is to give your best effort in Volcano Islands 2v2. It's impossible to judge your skill level if you don't even try. Maybe things would have worked out if you gave team work a chance?

To my way of thinking, skill level is a small piece of that pie.

If Texx's teammates' skill level is low, Texx will need to make more decisions on his own and if he has nobody to consult (due to their low skill level) then Texx might do more mistakes.

Skill level is always important. That's why we wanted more players on slots. This way more people would get some training and in future Clan League seasons we would have more strong players.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 16:15:40


old yeller 
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get a room you two!
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 16:22:26

vena
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Best thing is that the volcano island game is never played

Edited 4/12/2024 16:40:49
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 16:49:19


Ralph 
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Yo Eternity do you mind keeping the answers shorter? Or give a TL;DR at the end?

Aaaaand I dont think arguing over whether or not you are argumentative is the best position to take. I would suggest the following:
Touch grass, give hug, say sorry, move on (to Blitz).
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 17:41:11


Bodski 
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Ralph, if you ask ChatGpt to summarise it, then repeat, then repeat, then repeat, eventually you get a human type reply.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 18:39:10


Bodski 
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Eternity, I think that I understand you now. Let me express this in a number of scenarios:

1. Texx wants someone else, Eternity deems Bod not skilled enough

- in this case, Bod would not play the other template (and Bod would be cool with that).

2. Texx wants Bod, Eternity deems Bod to be skilled enough

- in this case, Bod would play the other template and it would be fair because Eternity decided that that was fair.

3. Texx wants Bod, Eternity deems Bod not to be skilled enough

- in this case, it would not be fair for Bod to play the template because Eternity decided that it would be unfair.

In summary, you were so concerned about fairness to other players that you decided to assess my skill level in one game and use that assessment to reach a fair decision.

The most fair method to assess my skill level was for you to decide in one game.




I wish that you would not make up things about me - you very much do not know and almost always get everything wrong, this renders much of what you write a pointless distraction.

Your understanding of me and my contribution to team play is just completely wrong. Maybe it is a limitation on your own team play ? The way you describe team play is not how I play in a team. That is because I am a team player and I doubt that you would be able to understand that level of human to human interaction.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 19:11:15


Kitler 
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ok guys if you dont want to read this whole thread ill sum it up here, guy in harmony gets kicked stalks them (common on here) and they respond. Alot of weirdness ensues and etc.... now to avoid horrific inter clan drama,,,,,,,,,,



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Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 19:21:49


Harmony 
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Bodski, Quality team work is an objective thing. Good moves and suggestions speak for themselves.

The most fair method to assess my skill level was for you to decide in one game.

The amount of games could be increased and if you were unhappy with my observations, you could always play a team game with Nave, who was the other Clan League manager.

I wish that you would not make up things about me - you very much do not know and almost always get everything wrong

Please provide me a full list of things that I have gotten wrong so far.

Your understanding of me and my contribution to team play is just completely wrong. Maybe it is a limitation on your own team play?

All you had to do was to play a team game with me. If you're so good at team games, why did you refuse to play in the Volcano Islands 2v2?

That is because I am a team player and I doubt that you would be able to understand that level of human to human interaction.

I am a team player too. I led our 3v3 team in last Clan League season and nobody complained about my teamwork.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 19:45:40


Bodski 
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Have you ever been in a team where you did not lead ?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 19:47:32


Bodski 
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Have you ever had a conflict where two players had different ideas of what to do ? How did you resolve that ? How do you think that Texx and I resolve it if we have such a disagreement ?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 19:50:45


Harmony 
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Have you ever been in a team where you did not lead ?

Yes, all of them were simple games with no high stakes attached. When it comes to important team games, like Clan League, Clan Wars and some tournaments, so far I have either been a leader or coequal (similar skill level) with other teammates.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 19:56:53


Harmony 
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Have you ever had a conflict where two players had different ideas of what to do ? How did you resolve that ? How do you think that Texx and I resolve it if we have such a disagreement ?


Firstly I explain the full reason behind my suggestion, then the other player(s) explain the reasons for their ideas. Then we decide which idea would be more beneficial (For example get us more income, break more of opposing team's bonuses and so on)...

If one of the players refuses to change his plans, then I adapt to his moves. It's usually better to go with worse approach than for both players to go separate ways.

I don't know how you and Texx resolve your disagreements, but you could have shown your approach to team disagreements in our Volcano Islands 2v2 game.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 20:03:30


Bodski 
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You are correct - you do not know how Texx and I would resolve such a problem.

Over and out.

Summary for those who did not wish to read the whole thread

1. Eternity does some stuff for Harmony and in his mind that makes him part of the Clan
2. Harmony do not agree that he is part of the Clan
3. Eternity will continue
4. Harmony are cool with that

The rest is noise which I did not introduce.

Edited 4/12/2024 20:09:32
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 20:26:55


Harmony 
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You are correct - you do not know how Texx and I would resolve such a problem.


Bodski had an opportunity to showcase his team game skills in Volcano Islands 2v2 game https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35889798 but he never did. A simple 2v2 test game would have likely resolved all the issues. Bodski, all you had to do, was to play that game.


Also Bodski said the following:
I wish that you would not make up things about me - you very much do not know and almost always get everything wrong


I am still waiting for him to present the full list of things that I got wrong.


As for claims about me "not being part of Harmony community": Actions speak louder than words and also speak louder than opinions. Harmony management denying my connection to Harmony community is not going to change reality.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 20:43:58


Benyyl 
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I submit this as song of the year
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