Eternity is lying about the timeout being a mistake. It was intentional. And with that in mind it’s impossible to trust what’s said in this thread.

I'm not lying, it was mistake. I misunderstood what player meant with his words and that's why I muted him. My intentions were based on me mistaking what the other player was saying. I did not understood the other player properly and that's why I muted him. It was a mistake.

Sending this thread to anyone who asks me about this game

The timeout was intentional though.

I never thought this discussion would go outwards the clan.
I still find it confusion, but I have both respect for the lead of the clan as well as Harmony as player.
But for the sake of the clan and its members, this discussion would do us all only harm.

I think the way Harmony player is involving harmony clanmembers (teamgames and tournaments) is good to combine with the focus of the clan (chat and CW).

The timeout was intentional though.

The timeout should not have happened because there was no need for it. It was a mistake and ever since then I never misused mute feature again. Since that incident I immediately came to the following conclusions:

• I need to spend more time on understanding what other people say. During incident I muted a player in like 10 seconds and that was not long enough of time window to properly understand the full context behind player's words.
  
• Some players can react very negatively to getting muted. So far it has been one and only time I muted anyone, so I didn't have enough experience to be able to tell that someone could get very angry over getting muted once.

It was so long ago and you’re doing good things for the clan that it shouldn’t really matter. It’s a bit strange how you haven’t been allowed back in though.

I wanted to ask if Eternity is still doing his thing. I guess I don't have to now.

Ok. I have actually read the thread and would like to raise another topic and a few minor questions.

@Harmony/Eternity,
I find it contradicting to be doing at the same time:
- basically blaming Harmony management for various actions/treatment (maybe the words are not totally correct, but you may probably get the general point)
- "selflessly" contributing and funnelling new people to Harmony. "Selflessly" im the meaning, that efforts are aimed "exclusinvely at Harmony", rather than "a new community/initiative, inclusive of current Harmony community".

So the question is, what is that idea of "Harmony community" that is still motivating you?
(my general understanding would be that the "community" is actually not "all the players", but effectively the "active players", who steer the community to what it is. And in current situation, the "community" effectively equals to "management + active supporters")

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Minor questions:

Telling other clan proven spy accounts to stop "spying/poaching

Interesting who that person was? I guess, this is probablky not me, as the timings dont align.

Harmony management already tried all kinds of ways to intimidate/bully/bribe me and all of them failed.

What is the "bribe" part about?

I counted that in the game chat of Harmony Clan April 40 FFA, one manager mentioned the phrase "HARMONY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU" about 15 different time (I only counted the times when it was said in ALL CAPS)...

May we please have the game linked here? ;)

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Greek Dolmades - Stauffed Vine Leaves, recipe:

• 250 g vine leaves
  
• 2 bunches of spring onions
  
• 1 onion large
  
• 2 cloves of garlic, very carefully thinly sliced
  
• 250mL olive oil
  
• 400g carolina rice
  
• 400g water
  
• 1/2 bunch coriander
  
• 1/2 bunch dill
  
• 1/2 bunch mint
  
• lime zest
  
• salt
  
• pepper
  
• lemon juice
  
• 4-5 slices of lemon
  

Filling

• pot medium to high heat
  
• + spring onion, onion, garlic, 1/2 olive oil
  
• saute 10-15 minutes
  
• + rice, saute 2 more minutes
  
• + water, stir, lower heat, simmer 5 minutes (until rice soaks up the water)
  
• remove from heat, set aside to rest for 10 minutes minimum
  
• + coriander, dill, mint, lime zest, salt, pepper and mix thoroughly
  

Assembling

• spread 4-5 vine leaves, lemon wedges and lemon juice on the bottom of a 22cm pot
  
• place vine leaf in the palm of your hand or on cutting board (veins up, shiny side down)
  
• + 1 tbsp filling in the center, fold sides inwards and roll
  
• transfer to the pot, one at a time, all next to each other packed
  
• when first layer has been added, add second on top, basically till you are done
  
• add remaining olive oil on top (don't worry about the atheromatous plaque, it's worth the risk)
  
• + warm water till covered
  
• simmer 40-50 minutes till rice is done and vine leaves are tender
  
• when ready remove from head, set aside to cool
  

Serve them with yogurt, dill, mint, olive oil and freshly ground pepper. Ultra greek custom made recipe, just get a bowl and add those ingredients with a lil bit of olive oil^^.

I wanted to try to do those! I have the leaves! what's the atheromatous plaque?

I have a grapevine. Can I just use the leaves from the plant ?

the ones you buy are kept in brine I believe, you can probably brine them yourself ? not sure if they need to be of a special variety though.

Maybe you could leaf them be.

How about tomato leaves ?

blaming Harmony management for various actions/treatment

I do not have any issues with the work Harmony managers do. At the moment I go no issues with Clan Wars/Clan League management, got no complaints regarding official tournaments and no other major issues regarding manager contributions to Harmony clan. The only major problem is that Harmony management is actively going out of their way to cause issues for me.

All Harmony managers and I are doing great work for Harmony clan. There's no point at being opposed to each other. This whole time I was more than willing to do normal work, but Harmony managers have expressed in the past unwillingness to work together and I believe that their position hasn't changed so far.

If Harmony managers do not want to work together, the least they could do is allow me to continue my work in peace. Before doing anything new I consider its merits and would also ask for player opinion if I felt there were any risks involved. If I did something new and some players didn't like it, I would consider their suggestions and look for ways to improve my new activity further and if further improvements are impossible, then I would consider cancelling the new activity. I take great responsibility with my actions and if left alone I shouldn't cause any issues for Harmony clan.

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"selflessly" contributing and funnelling new people to Harmony.

I got limited amount of free time and as result all of my activities are limited to helping Harmony players and those who I suspect to be likely to join our main clan in the future.

There are no contradictions here. I do not view Harmony management as personal enemies and if any of them wanted to have a friendly conversation with me, I wouldn't mind talking to them. I view them all as good people. Just because they think I might cause harm to Harmony clan and just because they are trying to pressure me into abandon Harmony clan, it doesn't mean that I should hate them. I got a forgiving nature and wish Harmony management well.

More importantly it doesn't matter who the managers are, the individual players still matter. Many Harmony players wish to have more fun activities and also some of them seek to improve as players. Even if Harmony managers were actually bad people (which is not the case), it still wouldn't change the fact that regular Harmony players could benefit greatly from extra support.

So the question is, what is that idea of "Harmony community" that is still motivating you?

• Responsibility. When I joined Harmony I wanted to do a good job and not let the clan down.
  
• Loyalty. I've been With Harmony clan for a long time and am on friendly terms with many players, we've had many great memories together and when friends need help you see what you can do to help them out.
  
• Dreams of Harmony players. Many players in our clan wish to do better in Clan League and Clan Wars, some specifically want to reach 1st place in these competitions. Some players want to have more fun activities and some wish to improve their skill level. I wish well to all of our players and want to see them succeed in their dreams.
  
• Player characters. I know a lot of players in Harmony personally and they're all great people. It's nice to be around them.
  
• Justice. I was providing a lot of help for Harmony clan and the kick was unnecessary. I took a few minor mistakes I did seriously, learned from them and was not going to repeat same mistakes again.
  
• Fun. I like helping others, it's plain and simple. I'm not selfish person, I'm already happy in real life and got all my needs met, so providing more fun for other players is the least I could do.

my general take is that the "community" is actually not "all the players"

To me Harmony community is everyone who is part of Harmony clan. A small portion of players (Maybe ~10-15 out of all 380 players) don't like to be involved in my activities, so I exclude them from tournament/game and mail invites, but even then I still view them as part of our community.

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Interesting who that person was? I guess, this is probablky not me, as the timings dont align.

You were the one using spy accounts to gather data about Harmony clans and players.

What is the "bribe" part about?

At the moment I see no need to elaborate further on this question.

May we please have the game linked here? ;)

No. So far I saw no Harmony manager trying to make claims that it didn't happen. If any Harmony manager shows up and denies existence of that game/conversation, I will provide the link to it. I only mentioned that conversation, because Bodski said "nothing in particular has triggered this publication, it was a result of a series of coincidences.", which was a lie.

I love how some things never change.

the internet is saying tomatoes belong in the nightshade vegetables category, whose leaves are slightly to fully toxic. so probably not the best idea.

grapevine/vine I suspect are the same but no idea.

you can also add minced meat inside.

and a famous alternative is stuffed cabbage leaves which are just GORGEOUS.

plaque is when fat precipitates and accumulates in your arteries. but as they say, a tbsp of olive oil per day keeps the doctor away.

edit: if you have fresh leaves, vine or whatever, boil them first, drain, and then proceed with recipe.

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you can easily prepare fresh grape leaves you picked yourself. i don’t remember how, look it up.
do not use tomato leaves for reasons stated above.
there are other leaves that can be stuffed as well

HAHAHA!

Eternity butthurt. l4vrov giving him life advice. Love it, gimme more.

PS: yes, I also have a secret "spy account" in harmony.

If I may comment on the topic as a neutral person (as I am not affiliated with Harmony nor Harmony), but have experienced a similar tragedy.. ;)

I think you and the Harmony management just have different ideas of managing the clan.
You manage the clan, and the Harmony management has not the room to manage the clan next to your actions.

You for example like to mass invite players to tournaments and FFAs. (mass invite in the meaning of too often). I got the impression the Harmony management rather likes to organize events more targeted. But if you create so many events for Harmony players, then this players wouldnt have the time for the selective/targeted events of the Harmony management.

=> You do not let room for the management to manage.

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