Don't worry Morg, DanWL's still here in spirit... all your posts criticizing him are getting the supreme downvote, a very DanWL thing to do.

Seems plenty of people don't fancy what I am saying. Just assuming it was either them or those who agree but didn't post.

Also, there is nothing I said that I didn't say to him directly in various threads.

Edited 7/14/2024 21:12:30

Does anyone know the reason why he left?

Gimme all your loving ZZ Top Munich, 14 July.

For why he left, check the most recent posts on Fivesmith's Prime Hour forum podcast

Dan deleted his mods? Didn't even realize that was possible. Thought they'd be saved so game replays could function properly.

All this drama over clan wars differences?

Come on,
this is like getting worked up over chess club differences
or granny sewing competition


kinda ridiculous xD

Yeah poor Dan was too easily worked up, and some people were too busy poking fun that they didn't think of the potential outcome of consistently pushing his buttons.

I see the source code for his mods are still on github, maybe someone else could republish them? I don't remember all the ones he made but the one he just got an award for (confirmed it's not available when creating games) is here:

github: https://github.com/DanWaLes/Warzone/tree/master/mymods/Custom%20Card%20Package%202

[Best game mod]
• The list of mods that were eligible for this reward is at this link: https://www.warzone.com/wiki/Category:Mods_made_public_during_2023

• Winner: Custom card package 2 https://www.warzone.com/wiki/Custom_Card_Package_2
by DanWL https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=9522268564&u=DanWL_1

@krinid we are talking about this.in the modded discord server

Personally I think that it would be wrong to republish someone’s mod that you grabbed off GitHub if they intentionally took it down. You should just make your own at that point.

Yes, somewhere it is wrong to "steal" it, but some of his mods were also enjoyed by a lot of people and pretty useful, and the license technically allows anyone to copy the code and reuse it.

So thats the dilemma we're currently facing, it goes against Dan to revive the mods, and for the community it would be good.

we, or at least I, was planning on trying to reach him first before doing anything. Yes, the license allows us to just take his mods and re-publish them, but he might not want that indeed.

Edited 7/15/2024 16:02:15

Doesn’t the code belong to Fizzer?

No, the code is free to be use by anyone:

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the “Software”), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

by deleting his account dan forgoes all right to control his mods.
he left without even a goodbye so imo his wants are not taken into consideration.

Jk where is that from?

From https://opensource.org/license/mit, which is what all mods are required to use.

(Including Dan's: https://github.com/DanWaLes/Warzone/blob/master/mymods/LICENSE)

Legally, no concern, anything you put into WZ is no longer owned by you.

Morally, I'm still okay with it. What's the alternative? Live without these mods forever? Are we forbidden to write mods that do the same things?

RE: JK's point:

So thats the dilemma we're currently facing, it goes against Dan to revive the mods, and for the community it would be good.

Imho, without a message from Dan on this, we can't know what his intentions were, maybe he just wanted to leave a clean trail behind himself, as since he is gone, he can't update/upgrade his mods if anything changes with WZ, etc. Imho it doesn't go "against" him at all. I believe he left b/c WZ is no longer good for him, but he doesn't wish WZ itself or the userbase (maybe save the ones he argued with that led to him leaving) any ill wishes. So let's not read into his actions. He didn't say "screw you all, I hate you all, goodbye", he just left.

So sure we could just rewrite the mods, but imho we're not obligated to nor should we erase Dan from WZ history. Rather than just rewrite it and pretend it never existed, I'd rather use his code and just add comments that says "original code by DanWL, modified by XYZ". I've done this at work when writing code that former employees wrote. Others have done it with my code. This isn't really any different. Give him the credit for the original, leave him in WZ history where he belongs for his contributions.

Dan even has text in his github code (see JK's post for the link) which grants "without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense", so imho there's no issue here. He simply removed himself as the uploader/active maintainer of the mods and clearly already gave his pre-consent for us to recreate his mods.

Edited 7/15/2024 19:34:59

thank you krinid for explaining the legality but to reiterate, dan f#%ked off and did a little sabotage (obviously not as much as he could have). this is not the way of good people. not say he was bad and definitely not evil but it’s still sabotaging.
“look i made this beautiful cake for you, shoot some of the guests don’t like me, i’ll hide a turd in the cake a drill them all”.
just a bit of dramatic interpretation