I guess I'll stop tip-toeing and step into the flame arena.

I agree with Colonel that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong, however, putting them all on an island or throwing them all in jail just isn't practical. Personally, I believe that governments should just ban gay marriage. That's really as far as you can go.

YEAH! LETS BAN GAY MARRIAGE! THEN THEY CANT REPRODUCE!!!!!11!!!

lol TheLord

"Firstly, I disagree with the terminology. Technically I am lesbian. I like girls."

- Assuming you're a man, making up a new terminology and saying you disagree with it isn't really a convincing argument against homosexuality.

"So I'd rather call their condition "perverted sexual attraction disorder". I react indifferently to men attracted to men, kids or animals.""

- Trying to change the terms to bear negative connotations or make the word sound to associate the thing with other negative things... is still not an argument against homosexuality.

"Secondly, it is not natural to love someone of the same gender. The reason being that sexual attraction is there for reproduction. If reproduction is not the outcome, the action makes no sense."

- Homosexuality is documented in many other species in nature - up to 50% of some ape species are bisexual, there are examples of penguin gay couples raising up a child left by its heterosexual parents, and so on, really, there's plenty of evidence it's natural in the sense it's widespread outside the human species.
Even then, does it matter if it's natural? Your shoes and your computer are no more natural than homosexuality. I suppose playing Warlight doesn't help you survive or reproduce. Saying something isn't natural is not an argument against shoes, computers or Warlight.
Sexual attraction from evolution's perspective certainly is there for reproduction, but maybe it could also serve other functions like social bonds a bit like many friendship activities. And you'll probably find homosexuals are happy when they perform the action... so it makes sense as it makes them happy. Pursuing happiness makes complete sense as long as you don't harm others. I'll continue to do so whether you like it or not and whether you're able to see a meaning in it or not. Your ability to find meaning in things isn't really what determines what I should or shouldn't do.

"My solution is to send these people to live on an island in the pacific far away from the people without this condition. We'd see how long their population lasts.
Or, we can wait until their all died out. Historically, people of this condition would deny it, and be forced to marry which carried the gene to the next generation. With western ideologies which encourages these people to "come out", they will no longer reproduce and the genes will become extinct."

- Yeah well of course millions of people aren't going to just accept some crazy, pointless social experiment to have them deported to a tiny island away from the rest of the world. And of course the people aren't going to line up in a queue and wait to get a ticket. If anything like this were implemented and enforced you can be sure its only effect would be to make people stay in the closet at most. Like all similar attempts have done throughout history.

Technically you could still use insemination and bisexuals could still reproduce but I don't see what you're trying to prove with the experiment anyway. Homosexual actions in themselves don't lead to reproduction, we all know that. Neither do they need to. The world's population has been increasing rapidly and with more people there's less resources per person. A small part of the population not reproducing and which can spend more of their life working instead of raising children is only good if anything. Ants by nature form well-functioning societies with the majority of their population not reproducing. I really don't know where you get your ideas or motivation from.

Maybe people here are just very apathetic about homosexuals and will see me as a 'troll' but try to consider how you'd react yourself if someone wanted to deport you to a pacific island for loving your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/whatever.

i find this whole conversation repugnant. i have a few friends who are homosexual or transgendered. they are all good people who have had to deal with reptiles like colonel all their life. i do disagree with you pulsey. i am offended (but i am on the internet so it's expected). some people are born with hormonal imbalances and/or abnormal reproductive organs. it's a fact of life all across the animal kingdom. people born this way have a very hard time identifying with one gender. it doesn't help that we have gender stereotypes shoved down our throats from birth. and just because they "choose" to not conform to your ideas about gender, or find it completely impossible, doesn't make them bad people or worthy of any kind of judgement by anyone else.

I agree with OP until he talks about "sending them off to the pacific ocean."

I don't really care about gays, lesbians, trannies, etc. It is really a non-issue to me politically, but it doesn't seem to be stopping there. For instance, recently I have been seeing support for pedophilia and bestiality in Liberal media sources such as the New York Times.

By the way, identical twins have been documented as having been of different sexuality (one straight, one gay) on numerous occasions, so saying that "they're born that way" is probably inaccurate. This means that queerisms must be something that is chosen or taught.

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Feel free to laugh.
Well said shyb, some of the comments here are plain repugnant on so many levels.

"By the way, identical twins have been documented as having been of different sexuality (one straight, one gay) on numerous occasions, so saying that "they're born that way" is probably inaccurate. This means that queerisms must be something that is chosen or taught."

- Seeing you edited your message... Anyway that's a pretty odd point to bring up, first of all because the exact studies you cite show a lot of occasions where the genes DO predict homosexuality, and you certainly do not choose your genes, which in itself disproves your conclusion
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2881563?uid=3737880&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21106272504473
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9549243
Secondly your conclusion it's something you must choose or be taught because it's not (fully) genetic is plain simply wrong. Even if I'm not homosexual because of my genes there were most certainly not anyone who taught me and neither did I choose it. I'd suggest some heterosexuals ask themselves how much they needed to be 'taught' or how much 'choice' they had when they fell in love from someone opposite of the other sex. Genes also work in very complicated ways by chemistry and not simply like on or off bytes in a computer.

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I'm not pro gay but I disagree with the idea of shipping then to an island. Now your just inhuman for killing them. Making yourself no better then Hitler etc

There is no place for trolls in heaven.

While you're all entitled to the opinions you have on this matter, the part that's wrong is when you outwardly prevent these people from existing. Someone being within the LGBT+ demographic has literally nothing to do with your life assuming you're heterosexual and not transgender. By the way, the proper term is transgender, not transexual, but I digress. If you're so bothered that people who are different than you exist, then you've got a lot of growing up to do.

My assumption here, judging by the replies, is that many of you know little to nothing on the topic from a scientific standpoint. If your argument is that it's "not natural" then I suggest you all stop taking medication for your illnesses, stop curing things like cancer/other major diseases, and so on. What? Those are there naturally to reduce the population. Historically, both the LGB and the T part of the acronym have existed deep into human history, and I'm talking BC stuff here. As an example, there are records of rights given to trans people in ancient sumerian times. So this is nothing new. Those who said transgenderism is "simply deceptive" misunderstand the difference between sex and gender. Do yourselves a favor and read the wikipedia article on transgender, at the very least, before you make sweeping statements.

You can consider these all a "disability" but that implies that being gay or transgender is ultimately hindering to your life as a human. It's not. It can be considered a "mutation", if anything, because yes, humans are "supposed" to be born non-trans and straight for population purposes. There are pleanty of men/women who are born without the ability to reproduce. Should they also be cast away forever?

DNA is a complicated topic, but as it stands right now, we do know that these conditions are born with, and they're not hurting you in any way. Tell me one way allowing trans people to exist and allowing gay marriage is hurting you? It's closed minded people that are killing society. Those are the ones who are hurting others. Realize before you speak that you quite possibly don't know enough about what you're talking about. As I said before, you're allowed to have an opinion, but know that the manner in which you speak is disgustingly similar to those who spoke to promote racism, saying that all non-white people should be sent far away/killed/etc.

Please understand that someone may be different than you and they may present themselves in a different manner than you're used to. Try and have an open mind and realize that these things aren't hurting anyone. There are plenty of real, harmful problems society can be focusing on, and instead it's wasting its time marginalizing a group of people that are doing nothing wrong. The only people who are brainwashed are those who are those who refuse to empathize with the feelings of others.

I agree with the OP and this is the only thing that I am going to say here because I realised earlier that it is a waste of time to talk about this subject on this forum that is swarmed by indoctrinated, or brainwashed, pseudoinellectual low lifes (like the one above me) which arguments never make any sense (like above), but due to their intellectual inferiority, or simply due to brainwashing they can't and never realise that.

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It is genetic. It's not just a human thing either.

Exactly.

Hohenzollern, if you are so intellectually superior, you could've just shown it by debunking the arguments made in this post and putting out a proper argument for your view... I find it ironic you make a post only to call other people brainwashed and pseudointellectual without yourself adding the slightest form of reasoning for your position or against that of others.

Being homosexual doesn't hinder my life at all but prejudiced people trying to enforce their lifestyle upon others could if they had power. If anything is a disability here, it's being anti-gay.

It is genetic.

If homosexuality was a genetic mutation it should of died out within the first generation, unless early homosexuals were reproducing with women anyways which doesn't make much sense. I can see bisexuality being genetic, but not homosexuality.

For instance, recently I have been seeing support for pedophilia and bestiality in Liberal media sources such as the New York Times.

Would you happen to have any links to that? It wouldn't surprise me, I just want proof if things are really getting to that stage. One thing leads to another, supporters of things like beastiality and polygamy see the "It's okay if they love each other" argument getting pushed and believe they can use it as well.

but prejudiced people trying to enforce their lifestyle

LGBTs try to enforce their lifestyles all the time with the always prevalent strategy of forced tolerance. It's literally getting to the point of "Tolerate it or be banned from all society" point in some areas.

I could care less about the sins or the struggles of LGBTQ people. So long as they keep to themselves and stop organizing pride marches that hold up traffic they can do whatever the fuck they want.

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Wait,Colonel is a GIRL? WTF?IDK...

Yeah, wondered about that too. Could he be... transgender??

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i love it when dumb religious people are trying to get their middle-age backward ideas explained by science. This thread is just hilarious. i mean when someone uses "evolution" and "human were not designed" to be gays in the same sentence, it is just obvious how they don't know what they are talking about. I don't have a problem with you getting your morals out of a 2000 years old fairy tale written by ignorant men. Keep "knowing" what you think you know, just don't embarass yourselves by imposing your stupidity upon others. LGBT aren't imposing anything on you, their only demand is to have equal rights, it doesn't involve you. Religious people needs to stop whinning like children every time someone does something "wrong" according to they fucked up morals. You don't like gays? Go pray and leave them be.

On the subject of homosexuality and genetics, even the best biologists don't have the answer, but there could be a lot of scientific explanation as to why homosexuality hasn't been erased by evolution. And the argument of "before modern values, gay were forced to marry and make children so their "gay" genes passed on new generation" , is a complete bullshit argument. Before christanism, homosexuality was completly normal, it is religion that has been trying to eradicate it for thousands of years. And homosexuality can be observed everywhere in nature, so don't expect homosexuality to be eradicated by natural selection. Just not happening.
Here is a video of a famous evolutionnary biologist (Richard Dawkins) released 4 days ago, on the topic of: "How does evolution explain homosexuality?". But i have to warn the religious fundamentalist of this thread, the video talks about science, so be careful or you might learn something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDmQns78FR8