Maybe there could be a way to limit the amount of people able to join free open tournaments.

You have it backwards -- the problem with free open tournaments is that there's not enough people who want to join, compared to the number of people who want to create. To keep things even, we need to limit creation, not joining.

@Fizzer:
If money is the problem, allow a way to directly donate to WarLight.

Edit: Just discovered that the profit is $835 USD per month. It seems this isn't enough.
1890 ads / month - (55 coin leaderboard per months + 1000 servers per month)
1890 - 1055 = 835

This is from what I found at http://www.statscrop.com/www/warlight.net.

Edited 4/2/2015 08:06:00

Dan - I doubt that would work. Most people on here complain they can't even afford a membership. I have two because I want Fizzer to keep the site up and I appreciate it being here.

I don't have a problem with things going this way (entry fees and such). I just don't understand why if a tourney has a coin entry, why that does not reduce the host cost? Like I said, put 1 coin per player entry fee into a pot that reduces the host fee. Since everything scales with rounds, you won't have people creating them larger to reduce their fee, so that is not an issue.

It is just right now you will have a huge supply and demand problem.

Edited 3/31/2015 20:13:34

The only reason the tournament creator seeds the pot right now is to limit the number of open tournaments

That's completly understandable.
But you have gone too far this way and the number of open tourneys will be close to 0. Fixed cost would be far from enough to keep open tournaments clean

Edited 4/2/2015 08:05:03

@Fizzer: I was talking only in the instance of WGL, of course the host can participate in MD and RT coin tournaments, but the host for WGL is also hosting the stream or commentating, I've hosted and played before, and I ended up booted due to focusing on the entertainment.

This system seems like a perfect way to reward members. Many of us have commented that it doesn't seem to be worth as much anymore, as the exclusivity has been reduced dramatically since their implementation. I think you should at least consider allowing members to create free tournaments (maybe only 1/month?) or reducing the "creation fee" for coin tournaments for members.

I don't really care about open tournaments that much since we can still invite our friends for free, but there won't be many (if any at all) new open tournaments.

Edited 4/1/2015 06:13:20

Edited 4/2/2015 08:05:16

Read https://www.warlight.net/blog/index.php/2015/03/update-3-7-coin-tournaments/

No, 3rd does too in DE.
Only 1 and 2 in SE

"Coin tournaments can be single-elimination or double-elimination. Single-elimination tournaments will give 70% of their reward to first place and 30% to second place. Double-elimination tournaments give 65% of their reward to first place, 28% of their reward to second place, and 7% of their reward to third place."

Edited 4/1/2015 17:06:31

Edited 4/2/2015 08:05:28

have to agree with the majority of the folks here, the pricing to create a coin tournment does seem to be a bit steep. and especially with the WGL guys, not very nice for livestreaming. sure you can still create a private tournament without coins, but it only makes sense that a livestream would be a coin event to attract the high skilled players, and the livestream host is already investing a few hours of his free time to host the stream, having to also pay for hosting the tournament itself is pushing it a bit.

what's the rationale of forcing a person to pay for hosting a tournament anyway? avoiding spam? trolls will spam even if it costs them a little.

Edited 4/1/2015 17:36:59

what's the rationale of forcing a person to pay for hosting a tournament anyway? avoiding spam? trolls will spam even if it costs them a little.

To stem the ammount of tournaments that are being created

Edit: Just discovered that the profit is $835 USD per month. It seems this isn't enough.
1890 ads / month - (55 coin leaderboard per months + 1000 servers per month)
1890 - 1055 = 835

That is some interesting math. Not sure where you came up with $55 in coin leaderboards per month when there are ~$280 given out as prizes every 3 weeks. That works out to $370 a month.

Even if your ad revenue figures are correct we are still looking at ~$500 a month. Assuming he works on this near full time and that equates to about $3.13 an hour.

Each cycle amounts to 281,25 USD

52,14 weeks per year

17,38 three-week cycles

Total amount a year: 4.888,39 USD per year

~407 USD a month

Also, the numbers before don't take coin purchases, clans or memberships into account.

Anyways, once a game creates its own currency it becomes a lot more valuable, so this promotional coin board will benefit Fizzer in the long run and new players who joined after the coin feature was implemented will have less reason to resist spending money on the game than the older, more conservative players who are stuck in their ways.

Admittedly, the most expensive tournament to date would cost 3072,00 USD to make (and requires 10.240 active players), so the cost of the coin tournaments may need to be overhauled at one point.

It should be noted you can't actually created a tournament like that, as you cannot create Coin Tournaments with over 1000 players at the moment. So the most expensive tournament wouldn't cost more than 300 USD to host. Still a lot.

The newest update drastically reduces the seed cost of large or expensive tournaments. Check out the announcement here for updated price structure: https://www.warlight.net/blog/index.php/2015/04/update-3-7-1-small-update/

One more thing about (teams) tournaments:

Imagine tourney with 8 teams (2v2) -

there are 7 complete teams - Timinator and his 13 clones.
Team 8 has one open place and one place taken by some noob with 60% bootrate.
Will this tourney start? Without coins surely - someone uses his alt and it starts.
But with coins - no one will waste his coins so it will stuck.

Possible solution:

When joining team tourney you have two option - join or create team.
If you choose to create it doesn't mean you are guaranteed to get place in tourney. Your team will be showed among other possible participants(placed in the lobby).
Anyone can try to join you - accepted (by you) players will be added to team and once you get complete team it will be moved to the tourney place. If any of your teammates decline, your team will be moved back to the lobby. And ofc. tourney starts once there are enough complete teams.
That should prevent holding tourney start by single players without teammates


Edit:
Those are living clones with full citizen rights - no alts :)

Edited 4/3/2015 19:47:17

Looks better know - but still i don't understand - we can play in 100$ single game, yet we cannot play tourney for more than 1$?

Imagine tourney with 8 teams (2v2) -

there are 7 complete teams - Timinator and his 13 clones.
Team 8 has one open place and one place taken by some noob with 60% bootrate.
Will this tourney start? Without coins surely - someone uses his alt and it starts.
But with coins - no one will waste his coins so it will stuck.

Someone reports Timiniator for using alts with coins. Timiniator is banned, tournament is deleted. Problem solved.

Someone reports Timiniator

You rely on randoms policing for you way to much man.