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Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 17:54:18


Sephiroth
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do you mean coin games don't have attack/transfer only and attack by percentage?
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 18:05:46


Latnox 
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yes, they don't have it! As well as all others pure-skill games.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 18:09:11


Sephiroth
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lol
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 18:20:01


Kain
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@Z-Dog Imagine a game in which all available starting territories will go to players, like full distribution. In your system, if their is a tie, nobody gets that territory. This would result in some players being given fewer over all territories

good point but there is a solution. As it was stated in rules of my auction system, when there is no valid 2nd grade territory to assign, then the player is given random territory (from the rest of avaiable territories). So in that rare case all the conflicting territories that cant be assigned due to the 2nd grade vs 2nd grade conflicts (or auction ties) would be assigned via randonmization. The trick is to allow the unused (2nd grade vs 2nd grade conflict teriotoires or auction tie teriotoires) to take part in those random phase.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 18:20:31


master of desaster 
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yes that's indeed a Point that makes no sense for me. attack/Transfer only requires more skill in my opinion
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 19:12:34


zach 
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@Kain The new picking method is supposed to eliminate all randomness, even in a rare situation like this one
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 19:16:36


TBest 
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Just curious, but what happens if two or more players pick the same territory in the exact same time?
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 20:17:45


Latnox 
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TBest - I don't think that ever happened. Even if you try to do it on purpose, probability of getting the same amount of ms is close to 0

But maybe the game will crush or your computer will burn if it actually happens :)

Edited 4/4/2015 20:18:18
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 21:49:14

smileyleg 
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I imagine it must be coded one way or another though if the times are exactly equal.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-04 22:33:54


TBest 
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@Latnox I have tried to make two players chat at the same time too. Always those ms that mess me up :)

And due to legal reasons it can't be simply choosing one random, can it?
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-05 09:40:51


Latnox 
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Well I imagine the command looks something like:
if player_A_Timer<player_B_Timer then player_A have first move
else
player_B have first move

So with this assumption in case of equal timers player B is privileged. But that's Fizzer little secret :P

Edited 4/5/2015 09:43:15
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-05 14:41:53

smileyleg 
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Yeah, I'm imagining something like that Latnox. We should maybe shut up about it and not draw attention to it :)

I suppose it could be a bit more fair, like if they're tied A wins if milliseconds is even and B wins if odd.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 04:29:24


Sephiroth
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Btw not having attack/transfer only in coin games makes no sense at all as it only makes games more luck based.
Sometimes I'd even like to have an "attack neutrals only" option, I should add a uservoice for that

Edited 4/7/2015 04:31:17
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 06:42:14


Kain
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offtopic
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 08:11:55


[WM] Gnuffone 
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you are wrong, you can put attack only/tranasfer only in coin games.

Is jsut fizzer missed them in his template, but i already try it, you can add them in your no luck template.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 08:56:45


[IR]♛TiFooS
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Dear creator

The most reason that i don't like to play in NLC in menual distribution setting , it's i have most the time highest ping and also too time-out in my networks connections , you should with considering about that make a right decision , as a result for who has a problem like that, thats not a fair settings.

I'm a programmer control systems , the best programmer who is thinking about everything...
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 16:47:39


Latnox 
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dear TiFoos - your English is bad, and you should feel bad. Also how do you imagine no-luck settings without manual distribution? The problem here is your Internet connection, not the settings itself.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 16:51:06


szeweningen 
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I only read the beginning of the thread, so I'm not sure if that has been mentioned:
I think the current system is fine, however the person who is fster should get 1 minute between picks and distribution, to choose whether he wants 1st order or 1st pick. I have already pointed that out after a weird game with Ruthless Bastard, when neither of us wanted first pick, so we both tried to make our orders during the picking stage as slow as possible, which gives an unfair advantage to someone that clicks "begin" first.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 17:52:51


[IR]♛TiFooS
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Dear Latnox
You'r right maybe my English isn't well,but seem you couldn't exactly got my point.
I can take my turn even in 1 min , but almost isn't possible for me to take faster under 5 sec .... My Internet connection ( for have too time-outing in most the time) doesn't let me to take it.
If i couldn't played, i hadn't 3500 games played.

As i said a programmer should thinking about everything ... mean think about the worst situations.
And i don't think i'm a only person who has this problem.
Let's talk about no-luck move order: 2015-04-07 22:02:48


Mercer 
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How about this game to determine who goes first?

http://llerrah.com/monkeykickoff.htm
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