I believe those states have a death penalty BECAUSE of the crime rate.

Really? I think a 45 caliber bullet cost 30 cents? I'm still unsure of this are you sure?

Problem is not the bullet. In addition to all the moral aspects, it is simply not worth it for the society, money wise...

Capital Punishment is incredibly expensive. Jack Stoffregen, from West Texas Regional Public Defender’s Office for Capital Cases, estimates the trial cost alone for death penalty cases to be $1.2 million. This can be compared to a non-death penalty murder cases costing only about $3000 for the trial (Lubbock County Tx. court officials estimate) in addition to the average of $47.50 daily cost of housing an inmate in a Texas prison. This makes $693,500 for an inmate being kept for 40 years in prison, significantly cheaper than Capital Punishment. Also worth noting is that on average, a person sits 178 months on death row, close to 15 years. To spend so long time on death row has made defendants claim that it could make them suicidal, delusional and insane.


A few sources.....

Web sites
Ramsey, Ross. "UT/TT Poll: Texans Distrust Big Institutions on Privacy | The Texas Tribune." The Texas Tribune, 8 Nov. 2013. Web. 30 Jan. 2014. <http://www.texastribune.org/2013/11/08/uttt-poll-texans-dont-trust-institutions-privacy/>.
Ramsey, Ross. "UT/TT Poll: Texans Stand Behind Death Penalty | The Texas Tribune." The Texas Tribune, 24 May 2012. Web. 30 Jan. 2014. <http://www.texastribune.org/2012/05/24/uttt-poll-life-and-death/>.
Snell, Tracy L. "Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Capital Punishment, 2010 - Statistical Tables." Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Capital Punishment, 2010 - Statistical Tables. N.p., n.d. Web. 27 Jan. 2014. <http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2236>.
"TIME ON DEATH ROW." Death Penalty Information Center. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/, n.d. Web. 26 Jan. 2014. <http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row>.
"Death Penalty." Amnesty International USA. Amnesty, n.d. Web. 13 Mar. 2014. <http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty>.

Periodicals
Carver, Logan. "Death Penalty Cases More Expensive than Lifetime Imprisonment, but Local CDA Says Cost Never a Consideration." Lubbock Online. Lubbok Avalanche-Journual, 13 Dec. 2009. Web. 26 Jan. 2014. <http://lubbockonline.com/stories/121309/loc_535156806.shtml>.
Lubbock County, Tx. Local Newspaper 2011 Texas Associated Press Managing Editors Best Online Newspaper
Dart, Tom, and Ed Pilkington. "States Subjecting Death Row Inmates to Longer Deaths amid Scramble for Drugs." The Guardian. Guardian News and Media, 31 Jan. 2014. Web. 31 Jan. 2014. <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/30/death-row-inmates-longer-deaths-scramble-drugs>.

Books
Jhonson, John M., and Rudolph J. Gerber. "The Myth of Equal Justice." N.p., 2007. Web. 4 Feb. 2014. <http://ebooks.abc-clio.com/reader.aspx?isbn=9780275997816&id=C9780-335>.


List of work referenced
Dieter, Richard C. "Millions Misspent: What Politicians Dont Say About the High Costs of the Death Penalty." Death Penalty Information Center. N.p., 1994. Web. 30 Jan. 2014. <http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/599#sxn4>.
Reinhold, Robert. "Execution by Injection Stirs Fear and Sharpens Debate." The New York Times, 1982. Web. 4 Feb. 2014. <http://search.proquest.com/docview/122052723?accountid=39773>.
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Hanks, Gardner C. Against The Death Penalty : Christian And Secular Arguments Against Capital Punishment. Scottdale, Pa: Herald Press, 1997. eBook Collection (EBSCOhost). Web. 4 Feb. 2014.

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the trial cost alone for death penalty cases to be $1.2 million.

Then pay less the judge and advocates, simplify the law or just delete trials that would be easier. Do you realize? 1,2 million dollars this is insane!

This makes $693,500 for an inmate being kept for 40 years in prison, significantly cheaper than Capital Punishment

If you think that almost 700,000 dollars is a cheap thing for the society then... 700,000 dollars wasted for a serial killer/rapist/islamic fanatic... My solution: open Forced working camps something similar to the Russian Gulag that would be a rentable thing for the society. You know that some criminals commit a crime just to be allowed in prison, because they are fed and lodged (even free health care in US prisons!) all free of charge thanks to the government. Our society is really crazy nowadays...

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You want us to open slave-labor camps.... What the fuck is wrong with you?

Warlight

You want us to open slave-labor camps.... What the fuck is wrong with you?

Some people are insane, some people killed and raped 20 innocent people, some people committed crime against humanity, some people are evil, I do not see what forced working camps are more barbaric or ethically wrong compared to killing someone in an electric chair.
Tupac grow up we are not in a child's fantasy world.

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1. Their life is sacred but they have done harm to another sacred so they get some form of punishment.

2. Their criminals accused of murder, thivery and
rape. Im spending money so they can live for free. And they don't give a shit that I'm doing this.

And what crime exactly should be punishable by death? Just a few real life example:
Murder, rape,thievery, drug dealing, drug using, homosexuality, atheism, apostasy, unfaithfulness, "disturbance to public peace", etc

In your religious belief, how do you justify the killing of another human being?

When you did something you shouldn't have done your mom or father we're disappointed in you. They love you. So they punish you. If they haven't punished you you would continue what ever you were doing that was wrong and it would just get worse. They forgave you but still punished you. They love you yet punished you.

No-one says there shouldn't be punishment. Do you advertise parent killing there children for their mistakes? (i know the Bible set the example, but still....)

Plus no justice system is infaillible, so innocent people are bound to be murdered by justice.



Yes that would be a problem I admit.

So do you reckon that killing innnoncent people once in a while is an acceptable collateral damage? It is for the geater good yeah?

1. Making innocent people helpless won't save them. And even if you ban guns "If there is a will there is a way" so if someone has the urge to kill they will find another weapon.

2. Drugs ruin people lives.

It is common sense that states with gun control have less murder rate, and it is backed up by a lot of studies. Guns makes it A LOT easier for people to kill.

Drugs ruin people lives, no argument about that. But banning drugs is not the way to go. Alcohol and tobacco do A LOT more damage than weed. I know there is a ligitimate debate on the issue, but my position on this is:
Legalize all drugs, regulate the selling of dugs, tax the drugs, and use the money from taxes and the huge amount of money invested in the war against drugs to give help to drug abusers to let go of the addiction, and provide them facilities to uses drug in a safe and healthy way (as much as it can be). Provide psychological support, let them know society hasn't given up on them.
I believe this way you will reduce dramatically crime rate, you will relieve prison of the overweighted population, you will improve health care fore drug abusers, and greatly improve everyone's quality of life.

And what crime exactly should be punishable by death? Just a few real life example:
Murder, rape,thievery, drug dealing, drug using, homosexuality, atheism, apostasy, unfaithfulness, "disturbance to public peace", etc

Muder, rape, are on the list

thivery, dependant on what he stole tv, car, child.

Drug dealing 13 and younger don't die.

Drug Useing don't die. Just recovering Programe. Unless they killed or raped someone in the process of being high.

Homosexuality. not a crime. Pass

Atheism. Not a crime. pass

Apostasy. Not a crime. Pass

Unfaithfulness. Not a crime. Pass

Disturbance to public peace. Fine

No-one says there shouldn't be punishment. Do you advertise parent killing there children for their mistakes? (i know the Bible set the example, but still....)

That was just a metaphore for any kind of crime. Not limited to killing. As for the Bible child killig statement. I know what you are talking about

Leviticus 20:9 ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

But after a few chapters we get to Leviticus 26:40-46

40 “‘But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors—their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me, 41 which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, 42 I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees. 44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’”

They still face the punishment. But if they repent with full heart they are saved for He does not forget his Covenant.

So do you reckon that killing innnoncent people once in a while is an acceptable collateral damage? It is for the geater good yeah?

Actually doing some research helped me a lot.

Romans 13:1-4, "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil."

So if the punishment for murder, rape etc be whatever the government wants, so be it.

It is common sense that states with gun control have less murder rate, and it is backed up by a lot of studies. Guns makes it A LOT easier for people to kill.

"The artisans, and the husbandmen, and warriors, all have a share of government.  But the husbandmen have no arms, and the artisans neither arms nor land land, and therefor they become all but slaves of the warrior class. That they should share in all the offices is an impossibility; for generals and guardians of the citizens, and nearly all the principal magistrates,  must be taken from the class of those who carry arms. Yet, if the two other classes have no share in the government, how can they be loyal citizens? It may be said that those who have arms must necessary be masters of both classes ,  but this is not so easily accomplished unless they are numerous; and if they are, why should the other classes share in the government at all, or have power to appoint magistrates?" (Aristotle's Polotics)

People do kill people with guns. But it is the people whom kill not the guns. Banning guns will bring crime down a bit. And this quotation also shows the importance of bearing arms.

Drugs ruin people lives, no argument about that. But banning drugs is not the way to go. Alcohol and tobacco do A LOT more damage than weed. I know there is a ligitimate debate on the issue, but my position on this is:
Legalize all drugs, regulate the selling of dugs, tax the drugs, and use the money from taxes and the huge amount of money invested in the war against drugs to give help to drug abusers to let go of the addiction, and provide them facilities to uses drug in a safe and healthy way (as much as it can be). Provide psychological support, let them know society hasn't given up on them.
I believe this way you will reduce dramatically crime rate, you will relieve prison of the overweighted population, you will improve health care fore drug abusers, and greatly improve everyone's quality of life.

Interesting idea. But would that cost more or less? And the reason I keep involving prices to stuff is not because I'm greedy. But because people are just milking the money and learn nothing from what was given. So it is a waste. Although I like the idea don't you think a majority of those people will just milk the program and learn nothing from it (like most people on welfare nowadays)

I lost my head and two hands one foot death penalty lol I think I sub I do not remember.
I think there is a lot more than - 10 states with the death penalty,
There are advantages to capital punishment, deterrence, people knew that would do the deed of no return, although without the death penalty untreatable therapy, and if not they will work for the country,,,

Muder, rape, are on the list

thivery, dependant on what he stole tv, car, child.

Drug dealing 13 and younger don't die.

Drug Useing don't die. Just recovering Programe. Unless they killed or raped someone in the process of being high.

Homosexuality. not a crime. Pass

Atheism. Not a crime. pass

Apostasy. Not a crime. Pass

Unfaithfulness. Not a crime. Pass

Disturbance to public peace. Fine

wow you want to kill people dealing drug, 14 years old and above and you want to kill thieves. I didn't realise how crazy and bloodthirsty you are

So do you reckon that killing innnoncent people once in a while is an acceptable collateral damage? It is for the geater good yeah?

You dodged the question.

So if the punishment for murder, rape etc be whatever the government wants, so be it.

What? seriously? whatever "the government" do is fine? government has all powers and we shouldn't question it? that's just crazy. If the govenment punish you by stoning you to death for adultery, so be it?


And you quote Aristotle to support bearing gun, this is just ridiculus.

Capital punishment is a necessary thing, but after all only God is righteous, we will all be judged for our sins.

wow you want to kill people dealing drug, 14 years old and above and you want to kill thieves. I didn't realise how crazy and bloodthirsty you are

Well drug dealers sell drugs to people, people buy their drugs, they become addicted, they buy more drugs, and more Untill finely the addict puts the drug above his family and his health. 14 and up because they are very well conscience of what they are doing is wrong. I really don't see the use of just throwing them in prison. Oh better idea instead of death penalty he has to pay the victim what he got from the victim plus 5% of what he sold. Thivery can do the same thing. Unless it kidnapping.

You dodged the question.

No, an innocent casualty is unacceptable.

What? seriously? whatever "the government" do is fine? government has all powers and we shouldn't question it? that's just crazy. If the govenment punish you by stoning you to death for adultery, so be it?

But it didn't say we couldn't join the government and try to change the laws.

And you quote Aristotle to support bearing gun, this is just ridiculus.

You missed the point. Aristotle said that the people should bear arms so that they are not merely slaves to the government.

I do not think young people should be killed doped, maybe just the drug dealers,
You have to remember that age 14 is very affected by this age, I'm guessing that most of those who take this drug desperate people to depression or are trailing after the company,
They are still young and need to help them get out of it and possible to help them kick the habit versus who is an adult and sell, it also depends on what he took, if you can help should help, killed or prison, it only if they do not have options

Death penalty is only acceptable in extreme cases. It should be reserved for cold-blooded mass killers who have no remorse over how terrible they are and can't be reformed. If keeping them alive will certainly result in more innocents being killed by them than it's time to bring in the lethal injection.

It really does shock me though how some people have so much sympathy for murderers. "I don't care if he killed twelve people for no reason, killing him would be inhumane!"

I've also seen the "Capital punishment is bad because innocent people are sometimes executed" point brought up. This is a real problem, but the solution relies in refining the justice system to where less innocent people are found guilty. Innocent people are very often sent to prison as well, does that mean we abolish prisons?

you assume that people taking drug automatically ABUSE the drug. I personnally used all kind of drugs, never abused it, i'm perfectly fonctional. And some legal drug are in fact much more detrimental to one's health than a lot of illegal drugs. Studies shows that weed, mdma, lsd are actually less dangerous and addictive than alcohol for example. So do you kill people for selling alcohol? How do you decide wich drug user/seller deserves death penalty?

*cough* Ruth Ellis *cough*

Clement Attlee was Labour. I hate Leftism.

It depends on what drug it is, there are drugs you smoke and you could die or get hallucinations for decades, for example, marijuana is not dangerous, just makes you happy and stoned, but there are dangerous drugs much worse from alcohol, which is dangerous only drink quantities.

Caffeine is worse than nicotine.

I don't smoke and I only like Turkish coffee.