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it would be appreciated if we only discussed for this template at the moment and not compare the vices of 2 templates
a poor template is a poor template,
just because there's another template worse than this one does not justify the existance of the poor template

Like the 100th time we request that. I still support the removal.

I sign this petition with all 60+ alts

with 0% SR it's a good template

Edited 4/16/2015 15:01:11

It would make a decent multi-attack 2v2

But Treasure Map, Strat Greece, Turkey LD and even China are all better for MA ^__^

Yeah, having a 5v3 fail is basically a loss. So annoying

I like it :(

i had a very bad game today
2 attacks failed in neutrals and 2 attacks failed on opponent's bonus' border which if it was 0 luck could have resulted in me winning the game
it was against arlecchino and 11th game after 10 wins in a row against some tough opponents
it broke my winning streak :(

Luck screwing you over in 1 in 11 games? Oh man, you really have it tough...

EDIT:
Oh, btw, I think you had a decent chance in the game you surrendered.

Edited 4/16/2015 14:46:24

i disagree
i can make a scenerio and we can continue from that point,i will be arlecchino and you'll play being me
lets do this!
if you win more than 4/10 games i will give you 10$ free and if i win atleast 6/10 you would give me 10$
wanna bet now?

Edit:i made it easier for you to prove my point,but i know you can't do it

Luck screwing you over in 1 in 11 games? Oh man, you really have it tough...

its not about my winrate,its about the waste of time i spent in trying to win that game based on my skill,but yeah taunt all you want,not pretending to care,have serious suggestion?i'm all ears

Edited 4/16/2015 15:30:38

As I say every time this comes up, I like neutrals of 3, but it would be a better template if it was 0% WR.

with 0% SR it's a good template

this

The poll will have an overwhelming "yes" vote due to an extreme case of selection bias and is therefore useless. ((Which doesn't mean it isn't possible that the majority thinks yes, the poll just doesn't prove it, at all.))

don't politicize a simple argument math wolf,views are views...
also as much as i know fizz is busy doing all the other important stuff on warlight,him not making any polls for anything other than map of the week is enough motivation for us making our own polls
i'm not saying this poll should decide the future of that template primarily
but it can influence fizzer to make an official poll and that is good enough outcome

i disagree
i can make a scenerio and we can continue from that point,i will be arlecchino and you'll play being me
lets do this!
if you win more than 4/10 games i will give you 10$ free and if i win atleast 6/10 you would give me 10$
wanna bet now?

Generally you should surrender when you have 0% chance of winning the game. I can take your bet if we change it to you winning 100/100 games from that position. 40% chance is > 0% so I don't get your logic... In any case I also support changing luck from 16% to 0%, however it's very weird that you blame luck in that particular game, you clustered a 5-bonus which is riskier than your opponents picks, you finished 2nd bonus no problem (luck was on your side) and then you surrendered prematurely...
In general, my point is, that the game you give is not really a good example of why the template is bad. 5v3 fail? your luck was ok on those. 13vs8 fail? Well, your opponent did not really have to attack. better example would be a game where 2 people have 1 safe 3-bonus and border each other with their 2nd or 3rd pick and one person finishes their bonus, while the other does not. What I'm trying to say, even if the template is not 0% luck, you can take steps to maximalise your win rate. Showing a ragequit in a position that was possible to save does not really say much about the template.

The poll will have an overwhelming "yes" vote due to an extreme case of selection bias and is therefore useless. ((Which doesn't mean it isn't possible that the majority thinks yes, the poll just doesn't prove it, at all.))

You are correct.

personally, the template gives me better chance to beat the better player :D so i will vote no. But, i do like to point out that we should add more variety of new templates in rt ladder :)

Hate turkey ld, hate china and hate this template :(

i hate turkey ld
china is ok
ea&o would be good if it was 0%SR (it would be ok if it was 0%WR or 16%SR too, but since neutrals have 3 armies i don't see any reason for it not to be 0%SR)