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The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 20:25:47


Жұқтыру
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Look up the Greek invasion. Also, their army was pretty shabby.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 20:27:01


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They had a bad army, bad strategy, and a terrible leader.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 20:28:00

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Well, they fight on three fronts, true they are not considered significant Empire
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 20:32:31


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The Germans declared war on the USA, as they thought it would happen anyway due to the Japanese attack. Who knows what would have happened if Germany didn't declare, USA might not have entered for war as quick as they did.

Edited 4/23/2015 20:33:52
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 20:32:40


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*Poland not on list, extremely disappointed*
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 20:42:59


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America would have. Anyone who declared war on Japan automatically went to war with Germany. There's a special co-belligrent status for those who only attack certain powers, and that goes to Finland (for attacking Russia) and Siam (for attacking France).
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 23:25:19


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Germany.

>The Germanic tribes contributed to Rome's downfall

>The Anglo Saxons of the British Isles

>The Francs, who made France.

>The World Wars

>Some of the greatest minds to ever live, both in science and in military.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-23 23:38:54


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Germany, not all Germanics worldwide.

Also, they didn't start the first one.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 01:08:27

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Had germany not entered World War One, they would have dominated all of Europe the rest of the century
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 15:30:06


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There is a 0.01% chance however, that Germany would not enter World War One, they promised to back Austria-Hungary in case of a war, (the .01% chance regards the chance of "since when did a promise stop anything?").

Assuming Germany was as bad as an ally as Italy, and they did not enter World War One on the Central Power's side, the war would probably not be the "Great" war it was. Without Germany to declare war on France, and subsequently use the tactic of invading Belgium to gain a strategic advantage on France, allowing Britain to come into the war, these three major powers in the war would have likely not been involved. The Ottoman Empire would have not entered the war as well, since they were not part of the Triple Alliance, but it was the Turko-German alliance, so without Germany, they would not enter the war. Perhaps Italy would have been faithful in this scenario, and other Balkan countries (Romania, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Greece) just ignoring the war as it had not escalated.
This would leave the war at: Central Powers: Austria-Hungary, Italy. Allies: Russia, Serbia. Likely what would happen, is Austria-Hungary would annex Serbia, in exchange for Russia gaining Galizia, the war would likely lead to a stalemate, since A-H would be backed by Italy.

Now, because Russia did not have to deal with Germany and the Ottomans, they would have a lot more military capability, therefore, the October Revolution would probably not be successful, an independent Poland would be highly unlikely, and even more so with Ukraine.

Germany would at this point be tied with Britain as the leading World Power.

Now Italy would probably not become a Fascist state, because they did not have to put as much effort as they did in WW1, and because they would likely be satisfied with the war reparations they were given. There was also no communism to oppose, and no lack of patriotism.

Germany, with no hyper-inflation, and no economic downfall, and no treaty of Versailles, and no participation in World War One, would not become Nazi.

With no fascist movement or influence around the continent, there would be no Spanish civil war.

The breakup of Austria-Hungary would be inevitable, but it would not happen instantly after the war like it did in real life. It would probably lead to an Austro-Hungarian civil war, in which Hungary would win, and declare independence. Austria would then either join Germany, or form a personal union with Germany. Because it was a civil war that lead to Austria-Hungary's breakup, there would be no Czechoslovakia, and no Yugoslavia. Instead they would probably liberate Serbia, also controlling the land of Bosnia, and then maybe Montenegro would join them.

The fall of the Ottoman Empire as well would still happen, but prolonged. There would probably be a Greco-Turkish war, in which Greece would win, annex some land, and the empire would eventually collapse.

The further I go on, it becomes more vague, I don't know how it would affect Europe past this point. I just wanted to throw my two cents in on the topic.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 15:41:19


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@Martian, you left off the most important part of german history between the Frankish Empire and the World Wars.

Founding of the HRE
Otto the Great
Crusade of Frederik I and other crusades
Battle for the crown between Staufs and Welfs
The founding of the Teutonic Order and other ritterordens
The Golden Bull of Charles the IV
The Founding of Hansa
The Rise of the Habsburgs
The Burgundian War of Succession
The Reformation
Invention of the printing press
Thirty Years War
Wars bewteen Austria and the Ottomans in the Balkans
The Spanish War of Sucession
The Great Nordic War
Partitions of Poland
The wars between Prussia and Austria (Seven Years' War)
French Revolutionary Wars
German Revelution of 1848/1849
Franco-Prussian War (In Germany only the Franco-German War)
German Unification 1871
Social Legislation of Bismarch
German Industrialization & Colonialism
Wilhelminism
WW1
German Revelution of 1918/1919
Weimar Republic
Golden 20s
Hitler came to power
WW2
German Seperation
Cold War
Economic miracle of FRG
German Reunification

Edited 4/24/2015 16:01:24
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 15:45:13


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^ This is a very good summary of Germany's history, however how Prussia came into the equation, with their personal union with Brandenburg, and Frederick the Great, is also important.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 15:53:20


Жұқтыру
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Woah, America lost the lead to France...

The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 16:12:15


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@OxTheArtist

I mentioned the Seven Years' War and the others between Austria and Prussia. This era began with Frederik the Great in the Silesian Wars.

Edited 4/24/2015 16:54:32
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 21:06:27

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FUN FACT: by the outbreak of World War One, more Nobel Prizes than the US and the UK COMBINED
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 21:20:17


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I'm interested to find out if anyone actually read my huge alternate history text wall. It came form the heart </3
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-24 21:42:23


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@OxThe Artist
link please ü

Edited 4/24/2015 21:42:33
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-25 13:31:51


Ox
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It's the wall of text I wrote.
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-25 13:35:42


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Oh, i already read that.

Without WW1 there woudldn't has been a WW2. Without the fascist and communist rising there would not has been a Cold War, but i am not sure that the states of Germany and Russia would have survived in their original form cause their bad internal stability.

Edited 4/25/2015 13:41:05
The Epic History Poll: 2015-04-25 13:52:52


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If Germany didn't enter World War 1, there would be no fascist, or communist uprising, and therefore no WW2 or Cold War. (Oversimplified)
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