Similarly, I don't know of any bigoted assholes in my real life. I'm sure I actually know a few, but it's just not normal for someone in my social circles to be openly bigoted, because it would (quite rightly) lead to ostracization.

This is how i see it as a Christian, I believe the homosexuals are wrong but like people before me said you cant judge someone unless you are God. Being a Christian lets say i fathered a son how turned out to be a homosexual, there is nothing i can do to him except pray that he will come to his senses and see that they route his taking is not the right route.

I disagree that you cannot judge someone unless you are God. Are you saying I cannot judge a mass murderer or terrorist? it does not mean I am allowed to seek retribution, but I am certainly welcome to hate their guts. I don't abide by the forgive and forget in all situations. There are different degrees of sins/immoral acts.

For example, something like taking the lord's name in vain (if you believe that is a sin) is not the same as taking a life.

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To judge, in the sense of as it is used in the New Testament, is referring to telling people that they are going to Heaven or going to Hell, if they are good or evil. Of course, the basis of civilization is law and order, which is why Jesus told the people to follow the law (while never denying God's existence). Unlike murder, homosexuality does not involve anyone on the outside of the situation, which is why it is considered a moral sin, but doesn't have to be against the law, so if homosexuality is legal, nobody has any right to put any sort of judgement on any gay people. Nobody is supposed to judge anyone in the first place, though. Keeping a truly open mind and not deciding judgement on someone for yourself is Christian.

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I disagree that you cannot judge someone unless you are God. Are you saying I cannot judge a mass murderer or terrorist? it does not mean I am allowed to seek retribution, but I am certainly welcome to hate their guts. I don't abide by the forgive and forget in all situations. There are different degrees of sins/immoral acts.

Actually, if you hate anyone than you are a murderer(Actual quote from the bible).

To judge, in the sense of as it is used in the New Testament, is referring to telling people that they are going to Heaven or going to Hell, if they are good or evil. Of course, the basis of civilization is law and order, which is why Jesus told the people to follow the law (while never denying God's existence). Unlike murder, homosexuality does not involve anyone on the outside of the situation, which is why it is considered a moral sin, but doesn't have to be against the law, so if homosexuality is legal, nobody has any right to put any sort of judgement on any gay people. Nobody is supposed to judge anyone in the first place, though. Keeping a truly open mind and not deciding judgement on someone for yourself is not Christian.

Firstly, It is like, a huge screw-up to teach anyone, especially sinners, that sin is Okay.

See matthew 5:19:

Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It is the believers responsibility to teach non-believers the the requirements for living in God's kingdom. These requirements are that you Confess your sins before God and acknowledge that you have wronged, and then to ask for forgiveness.

Also, it's nonsense that you can't tell another person the consequences of not believing; All that is forbidden is condemning a person, A duty which God has reserved for himself.

Consider these two statements:

You will go to Hell because of your sins.

If you do not Give your life to Jesus Christ, you will Go to Hell.

One of these statements is Passing judgement, which is forbidden in the bible, and one is not.

nobody has any right to put any sort of judgement on any gay people.

All this means is that You are not able to Condemn people to hell. You are allowed, and in fact required to, warn people of the consequences their sins will have.

In fact, the verse you quote from matthew 7 is referring to something different; Read it in context:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

This verse clearly does not mean what you think it does. In the context of your post, Gay people who are married and commit Sexual immoralities again and again have no right to Judge A teenager who has homosexual thoughts.

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One of the worst ideas that has been perpetuated through Christianity is this idea of not convicting anyone of sin. The Bible teaches that we need to rebuke and correct people who are sinning with love and kindness. Not hypocritical judgment, and certainly not ignoring sin. Nothing is worse than "feel good Christianity" because it does absolutely no good for an individual.

In the beginning of Acts Peter says right out that the people crucified the Son of God and that they need to repent and be baptized for the remission of sin. The people upon hearing this realized what they had done and repented. If Peter had said "oh don't worry about it we all make mistakes" Christianity wouldn't have gotten very far.

Jesus himself pointed out when people were wrong. Throughout the gospels He rebuked the Pharisees, and told the Samaritan woman her sins, He acknowledged the adulterous woman's sin and told her to go and sin no more, He rebuked his apostles for a lack of faith, etc. However He did all this to bring them to repentance and to live more righteously.

Everyone are sinners whether it is because of homosexuality, lying, disobedience, fornication, adultery, drunkeness; everyone is guilty of something. God is willing to forgive though, as long as you repent from doing those things and are baptized in the water to be cleansed from sin.

Amen

Actually, if you know you feel guilt to the bottom of your soul, if you are truly sorry, if you apologize and confess, one can be forgiven of a sin such as murder.

The Church now accepts The LGBT community as long as they accept God.

"The Church" however does not define all of Christianity. There are several Christians who are perfectly willing to do whatever they can to stop the promotion of Homosexuality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3087624/Christian-owned-bakery-refused-make-Bert-Ernie-gay-marriage-cake-GUILTY-discrimination.html

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First of all, like, I never said that sin was okay. I never stated that nobody should go out and spread the word of Jesus. I said that nobody has the right to judge. End of story. The quote from Matthew 7 is talking about sinning while telling others not to sin, correct? I don't understand how my statements contradict the passage. Perhaps you could enlighten me, since you seem to know what you are talking about?

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You actually did say that.

To judge, in the sense of as it is used in the New Testament, is referring to telling people that they are going to Heaven or going to Hell, if they are good or evil

To summarize: "Nobody can tell anyone that they are screwing up without being a hypocrite."

Your post also basically said that It doesn't matter that Being Gay isn't Ok, christians have no right to say anything about it.

The Passage in Matthew I quote refers specifically to criticizing someone for a specific problem when you yourself have that problem to a much greater degree. To quote the actual example, Criticizing your Brother for having a splinter in his eye when you yourself have a log in yours, and it does specifically forbid Even mentioning the problem to the person. It cannot be applied to sin in general, since it is the Duty of christians to uphold God's law in the church.

Although, I do agree that without converting an individual, Correcting their sins does them no good other than familiarizing them with God's expectations of them.

To judge, in the sense of as it is used in the New Testament, is referring to telling people that they are going to Heaven or going to Hell, if they are good or evil

That means what it says.

Christians have an obligation to try and convert and explain what is right and wrong by Christian means. They have no right to say that someone is going to Hell. I am specifically trying to argue that Christians are too quick to judge nowadays and do not fix their own sins before spouting out something they should be saying in the first place. People who claim to be Christian at the White House using a megaphone to shout "You're all going to Hell!" at the supporters for gay marriage is not Christian-like at all. I cannot see what you are arguing here, sorry.

The Church now accepts The LGBT community as long as they accept God.

The true church of the New Testament does not accept the LGBT community. The church is the kingdom of God and is referred to as the bride of Christ. Members of the church are people who have repented of their sin and have been baptized for forgiveness. Members of the church are obedient servants of God.

Hebrews 10:26 says "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" The church is composed of people who have accepted the gift of Christ. If you sin willfully then you have not repented and the sacrifice of Christ is not working for you. Homosexuality is a sin (Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6) and continuing in it and embracing it is sinning willfully.

Denominations are rejecting the true word of God and forming their own false ideas and opinions. They are not nor do they represent the true Church. If a person accepts God then they will not condone any sin.

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Christians have an obligation to try and convert and explain what is right and wrong by Christian means. They have no right to say that someone is going to Hell. I am specifically trying to argue that Christians are too quick to judge nowadays and do not fix their own sins before spouting out something they should be saying in the first place. People who claim to be Christian at the White House using a megaphone to shout "You're all going to Hell!" at the supporters for gay marriage is not Christian-like at all. I cannot see what you are arguing here, sorry.

I don't know why you aren't getting it, but let me lay it out as simply as possible:

It is only sinful to say "You are going to hell" if it is in a condemning manner. If you are simply telling someone what the consequence of not accepting Jesus is, it is perfectly fine to tell them that they will go to hell if they don't.

That is the only real Objection I had to what you originally said, other than your post seeming to in general defend homosexuality.

I am not actually defending LGBT,In my church,We are absolutely against it along with me

I am not of Lesbian!

we never said you were >.>

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