in american. The times vary, colonel only got suspended for a day but I think HH is suspended permanently.

My question is why do you care about America so much? Does it affect you? Do you see us enforcing Fahrenheit and American calendar times on your children every day, just to make them suffer? Is there any threat to your way of life?

Stop worrying about what we do in our nation if its not affecting you. If we like what we have, then dont try and change us. You'd be just as bad as what you say we are :L

Most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say by a long shot.

Genghis, some of what you have put is right, and some is wrong. Mana Munsa was the richest man in history, the biggest financial hub is London, I'm pretty sure (though it was New York for a while). American dollars are meaningless, you can just devalue your currency and say you have a million billion zillion anything. See Zimbabwean Dollar (I have 50 trillion of them).

Source for fastest tank blitzkrieg? Because I don't think anyone beats Germany on that. Telegraph? British. Replaceable parts? Hasn't that been around since earlier than the Holocene time?

Anyhow, China got rid of li, now it's time for America to get rid of something which isn't even really American culturally.

(Guys, the America stuff I said was tongue-in-cheek.)

As for the American system and why it's actually not so bad:

Celsius makes a ton of sense in a laboratory- where the boiling and freezing points of water are good reference points, especially in biology. However, as a person, I'm probably never going to experience both 0 degrees C and 100 degrees C in my lifetime, unless I'm an astronaut or die a horrible death in some extreme environment. In contrast, 0 degrees F and 100 degrees F is a pretty useful range- I've experienced both temperatures, and 0 to 100 here is a great scale from "cold as fuck" to "hot as fuck" that's easy for me to personally contextualize. 0/3 of the way is terribly cold (Boston in a cold January), ~1/3 of the way (32 F) is freezing, 2/3 is California (67 F), and 3/3 is hot (July in Texas). In contrast, really only 60 degrees on the Celsius scale are useful in describing the weather (about -15 C to 45 C) for an average person- corresponding to 0 F to 115 F- or 115 meaningful degrees. That's a pretty solid range, relatively.

Similarly, the customary/imperial system is pretty nice- pounds aren't any better than kilograms, but we all know how much a "cup" is and basing volume on that is nice. Similarly, inches are on your fingers, feet are generally comparable to actual feet, etc. These are all measurements you can contextualize in terms of everyday things.

I think American measurement systems aren't bad at all for everday usage but as far as scientific/professional settings go, yeah the metric system makes more sense.

As for calendar dates- it's not any more complicated. We're just counting within the month.

Have you ever seen ice? Are you Malaysian?

However, as a person, I'm probably never going to experience both 0 degrees C and 100 degrees C in my lifetime

Really? I mean you get 100 C every time you boil something (most people have been burnt by the hot water too), and 0 when you touch frozen water.

Similarly, the customary/imperial system is pretty nice- pounds aren't any better than kilograms, but we all know how much a "cup" is and basing volume on that is nice. Similarly, inches are on your fingers, feet are generally comparable to actual feet, etc. These are all measurements you can contextualize in terms of everyday things.

In Europe a door is 2m tall, 1 kg is 1 l, which is two bottles of water. I mean, whatever system you use you will find everyday objects in that size, but the fact remains that the 10's are way easier to calculate in your head. A cup is the same as a glass aka 200 ml in EU, while it is 240 in the US. (Also I could make a point about how feet, and fingers vary greatly in size, but I am not.)

My question is why do you care about America so much? Does it affect you? Do you see us enforcing Fahrenheit and American calendar times on your children every day, just to make them suffer? Is there any threat to your way of life?

Yes, all those american company's, and TV's series, movies etc. They are pretty big worldwide, and since English is the current international language this affects most users of the internet for sure. Not sure if I would have preferred the British replacement of all measurements etc. through.

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Nice try Knyte, so according to you, the entire rest of the world is wrong? and the lone remaining country still using the old temperature scale is right. Think about that for a moment, and you start to see that it seems a bit smug to think that you know better than everyone else. The reason we have such things as standard time, and the metric system is because it’s important that everyone agrees on the same form of measurement.

And about which system makes more sense, well I do not think that Celsius is worse than Farhenheit. Here is an easy example about how you can "contextualise" better with Celsius degrees: Strange things happen on our planet when the temperature reaches the freezing point of water at standard pressure. Lakes freeze, roads sometimes get very icy and Moscow or Montreal get buried in ice crystals, so a case can be made that freezing is by far the MOST important temperature in our planet (as water is the most essential element). Let’s make it an easy number to remember, like say ZERO! (here 0 degree Celsius) If the temperature is below zero, watch out for bad things to happen. Above zero, your OK. So then, tell me what’s so special about 32 degrees Fahrenheit...

To conclude, all of the objections I hear to Celsius can be traced back to the fact that people are not used to it. Someone used to Celsius would have the same objections to Fahrenheit (and Europeans do indeed say exactly the same about the old scale used in America). In this age of anti science where U.S. Senators think a snowfall disproves basic physics, converting to metric might just be what this country needs to get your education system back on track.

Yes, all those american company's, and TV's series, movies etc.

Maybe it's just me, but I dont exactly see Fahrenheit brainwashing in the latest transformers movies.

They are pretty big worldwide, and since English is the current international language this affects most users of the internet for sure.

So you think that because there are American companies that went overseas, and we all speak english, that we impose all our measurements on you? I call bullshit on that, because most people are just going to use what they know best or are more comfortable with. All my brit friends talk to me in celsius when they mention the cold/heat and what not. I don't assume theyre forcing anything on me.

Not sure if I would have preferred the British replacement of all measurements etc. through.

Not sure I would prefer anyone's replacement. Whyis there an assumption that change is needed?

I don't think anyone's mentioned this, yet:

America is not the only country that uses the old system.

burma does.

Burma, Liberia and the US

@Lawlz I think those companies, whether they try or not, kind of work like the product placement principle. They don't necessarily do anything active.

Also my point is that you and all your friends DO speak english. Many peopel don't (not native; in this context), but in order to be a part of , say the WL community, you need to speak English. This is why i mentioned British as a possible replacement, that I don't wont to see. (They are just as hopeless in many ways, + annoying grammar.)

@Жұқтыру True, still don't think this is a good point if you support democracy.




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I agree with the metric crowd. Yeah, the imperial system has a lot of real world context, but you can find the same in the metric system (my finger looks about a centimeter wide). Whenever I estimate temperature in fahrenheit, I usually round to the nearest 5 degrees anyway, so I'd have no problem using bigger degrees.

Talking about America's cultural spread around the world, it reminds me of a world history class I took in high school. The instructor would talk about each civilization, then end with "And then they got fat, dumb and happy." I see that same corruption in America today "The 1%" "rich get richer" etc. Then we got to the Ancient Greeks. They spread their language and culture all over the known world at the time. They were powerful, too, but then they got fat, dumb and happy and the Romans took over. They conquered the known world, and just let everyone continue speaking Greek. I'm wondering if a similar thing will happen to our world...

True, still don't think this is a good point if you support democracy.

Who said I support democracy?

Also, Liberia is one of the most democratic countries in the world, but instead of voting for who you want, you vote who you don't want with bullets.

à HankyPinky: All books have ends, not really depending on whether you're powerful or not.

Damn never thought this would become an arguement about american shortcommings

Welcome to the Warlight forums.

On another note... this coming from an american: metric is the far superior system

liberia... has liberal in the name

Thanks for getting me straight on those, xy.

But, I'm very sure about replaceable parts. Until the need for mass production, it was all custom made things. Your blacksmiths became workers in a process.

As far as richest man, manda has unquantifiable wealth. Meanwhile, we have solid information on Rockefeller's wealth. Plus, he owned the fuel (literally)of the 20th century : oil.

Patton led the fastest,deepest cutting blitz in France during ww2. Not that I'm saying it's something special. Germany didn't have the manpower to keep up.

Still don't get you on the replacable bit. Also, it's sure that Mana Munsa was richer than anybody today - when he went to Mecca, he severely altered the economy with his spending. He had literally camel lines of what could be a mile going with him. And that wasn't even what he was carrying with him.

Give me a link with Patton.

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Where's your links for French aeroplane. I'm sure the benelux or Germans had a contestant or 2.

You're thinking rommel led the fastest blitz,but he was outdone because Patton did the same thing, just he had more freedom of will.

The difference between Rommel and Patton, is that Rommel was a real strategist, winning most of the battles even those who were hopeless (see Afrikacorps), whereas Patton was clearly more advantaged: the German army was clearly weakened (since the Russian campaign), the number was clearly in favor of the allies, and also you had the support of the local population.