I get the feeling that this whole thread could have been done in private chat.

This is to warn others, not a message to CORP.

^^ Kasparov, I agree.

I'm beginning to think people plan these things, anyone up for a whine off on Soviet atrocities tommorow at seven EST?

Tsk tsk tsk...

Oooh Oooh!, After that Kyger, can we do American and/or British? Or maybe Christian&Muslim?

Thomas, I've already mentioned that the Imperial Japanese Army used the Rising Sun flag. You might notice that if you even looked at the first search result.

But it's been used in hundreds of contexts unrelated to Japanese military aggression and is in use today by modern Japan's military forces.

As Kasparov said this is a personal issue to solve directly with the people involved.

Also as someone said every country with a political significance has made atrocities, so if someone likes or wants to use Japanese Imperial Flag may not be related with those events but a true love for a culture. In my case, I wanted to join USSR for 2 reasons, I saw a good level among members and because I'm affiliated to a leftist association.

I hope that everything could be solved. Best regards.

Im getting mad now:

Thomas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_Flag#/media/File:War_flag_of_the_Imperial_Japanese_Army.svg

*sigh*





But the flag was clearly only used by the Japanese military during the Second World War. Scratch that. The flag was only ever used specifically during the timeframes when Japan was committing atrocities against civilians- they literally switched flags the moment they began the Rape of Nanking and switched back to another flag right when they violated the agency of the last civilian in the city. Clearly, it solely deserves to be associated with civilian atrocities committed by Japan for about 8 years of its history and has absolutely no meaning beyond that. Most expert vexillologists would agree that flags can only have one purpose or meaning. /s

I would just like to say there is so much salt here. Thank you all for your time.

This flag symbolizes the general army not a specific case, it would not be very different use of the Nazi flag, as the flag of the tradition, except that it is quite ironic that Communists respond, theirs is symbol of the Soviet Union ...

Dude. Half of your stuff doesn't even contradict any of what I said. You just reasserted your previous claims. In at least one instance, your entire response was the word "False." Or "No it is." or "Uh huh it is." Or "Propaganda!"

As for why the dojo system is different: I was part of the political party system in TLW, as a member of Utvikling for around 2-3 months. As far as I could tell, each party was just a group of people doing essentially the same thing- playing standard diplo games. There's far more differentiation in the dojo system- each dojo literally has a different aim in mind, it's more akin to a specialization than a simple clan subgroup. Dojos aren't even political units in the sense that a daimyo has a voice in some sort of council- the Gunjikomon Council is entirely detached from the dojo system, and vice versa.

Within 3 days of existence, Scorpio Dojo has done more than Utvikling did in three months, so I think we're onto something here. It also allows for a more hands-off management style, which is pretty solid.

Since your main issue seems to be the flag: the Rising Sun Flag was the official flag of the Imperial Japanese Army. It was also adapted into dozens of other flags that represent Japan. To this day, you can find it on Japanese newspapers, drinks, billboards, and other standard items. It has no inherent association with the military.

I was actually looking at Japanese Prefecture flags as replacements but I don't think they cut it. There's a special attribute of our clan logo that you'll see in action soon (w/in a month) which is a very specific reason for which I support it.

Finally, the "demonic templates" we played on were Strategic 1v1 (the one from auto-games) and Guiroma 1v1. The first is the most commonly used 1v1 template, and the second is... Guiroma, also one of the most widely accepted and best-designed strategic templates out there.

But please keep talking. You're only making us look better. :)

It completely contradicts what you say. The reason I said False was because it's easy to look up the truths yourself. Also, I say propoganda because what you're spewing is completely opinionated stuff that would look good on an advertisment. Also, haven't been in TLW for a long time and never was in to political parties there, so maybe you're right. But Falcons do have special divisions (when I left, anyway) that focused on different things. I bet T4R and most other diplomacy clans have something.

My main issue: It does have inherent association with the military, and guess what? Japan is proud of it's imperial Japanese army. This was an issue at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. http://english.anti-risingsunflag.net for more. Anyhow, I'm all for "special attributes" but this flag better be changed completely by next month.

Also, this is why I never participate in Warlight official tournaments - daemonic templates. Low luck, 4 territories, starting armies under 21?

So much hate. After just reading this whole thread, i can tell you that whatever your face from USSR is freaking out and making a bunch of bullshit claims. Who cares if 10% of the clan is inactive? Who cares if it based off of Imperial Japan? It isnt your problem. If you dont like them, just blacklist them and go away.

No, these are claims that I made from close observation (and even being in the clan at one point). And you're right, it isn't my problem. I'm just warning folk who are thinking about joining - you should be thanking me.

I think you've crossed the line by making a chat with CORP members to try to convince them to quit.

Don't be so paranoid - I have made a chat with 6 CORP members to keep in touch, as they are the cool ones. The chat is literally called "The 6 Cool CORP"

But it's been used in hundreds of contexts unrelated to Japanese military aggression and is in use today by modern Japan's military forces.

That's the sad thing about it. You even link to a page where South Koreans and Chinese find it offensive.

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Let's legalise the Nazi flag - after all, the Holocaust only happened from 1942-1945 - just three years out of the 12 years that it was used!

Swastika flag, the nazi version, was never used for anything else than the nazi regime (i'm not talking about tibetan swastika - it looks different, it's NOT the same thing), which was based on racism from beginning till the end, while japanese flag was used for hundreds of years druing its existence. Hundreds. Japan had a mighty medieval society, one very specific. Are you really so anti-japan, angry and biased not to see you're making a bit of a fool out of yourself?

If you don't like Japan and modern japan things, why the hell do you join a clan based upon it? If you are interested in other aspects of its history as I am, well, tough luck, they obviously aren't.

Moreover, what the hell? This is just a game and highly-ranked members of the clan said they do not in any way approve of the japan war crimes, which are well-known and Japan apologized for them many times.

On other note, many members might not know about wakizashis or other japanese items. So what? They might have joined because of friendship or gameplay reasons. Who cares? No one except you.

Another thing: Even if 10% members were inactive, hell, even if 30% were inactive, it's still a lot less than many great and awesome clans have, in MMO's like Neverwinter, LOTR, maybe WoW or whatever. Yeah yeah, warlight is specific, but again - who cares except you?

Yet another: Too much criticism would get you kicked out of any guild, at least any guild led by sane people. If you don't like it there and don't agree with anything, why the hell would you stay? Perfectly normal behaviour. This is not real-life, this is a game.

I wrote this as a neutral player, never affiliated to any clan in warlight. I read the whole topic and just thought I'd better tell you what a bad impression you make.

Howgh. I won't answer to any messages or replies, as I don't care about your issues. As I said, just wanted to post an unbiased neutral-party view so, hopefully, you'll think about your arguments once more and maybe agree that your personal problems with the clan aren't other people problems and nobody cares about them.

Have a nice day and I wish luck in future games to all of you.