You have to remember that when you go to someone else's country you are a guest and you have no divine right to be there.

This is one of the most stupid sentences I've ever heard. Are you saying that every single ethnic group that is not a country's native people does not belong there? Hell, let's just slaughter all non-natives in America, Australia, and in fact the entire non-native New World, but in fact - people who are in the new world crossed the Bearing straight in history, making them not technically coming from there - British come from Germans, Germans come from Indo-Europeans, and it traces back, and back, to a family in Chad, the first homo-sapiens. But actually, homo-sapiens don't deserve to exist according to you. We should be ruled by apes! No, monkeys! No, single-cellular organisms! See where your case collapses? People will migrate, and everyone deserves to live in whatever country they feel like, because we are all effectively in this scenario migrants.

Xy, the atom bomb was irrelevant in ww2.

It was extremely relevant in the cold war.

Japan was going down anyway, America just needed something to deliver a morale blow. Operation Downfall was very practical.

Something ww2 relevant : the German V-2 Missile. Also semi-relevant to cold war. It was the first manmade object in space, and it did some important terror bombing strikes.

@1k Paper Cranes
I feel worried you aren't instead whining about how people from Chernobyl died from radiation. Shit happens mate.

I know this is from far back in the conversation, but I have to rip it to shreds:

Germany is called Germany for a reason and that isn't because it is home to the Jews or the French... it's because it's home to the Germans.
Seeing as Judaism is both a race and a religion, there were plenty of German Jews. Most Jews living in The Wiemar Republic or the Third Reich probably considered themselves German, unless they were recently immigrated.

Hitler just killed Jews because it was good for the economy and nobody really cared.
Slaughter of your entire middle class is not "Good for the economy." Hitler used the Jews as the scapegoat for the loss of the First World War, and this boosted everybody else's morale. They didn't care because they needed somebody to blame.
You have to remember that when you go to someone else's country you are a guest and you have no divine right to be there.
As a tourist. If you go to live, you become a citizen, even if you aren't legally one. Yes, you should be polite. But the Jews weren't rude, and they had been there for quite a while. They didn't do anything to Germany. Hitler just didn't like them, so he had them all killed.
What ties you to a land is where your ancestors and people lived... even though I originate in Germany I would never claim to be German. I'm English or Anglo-Saxon or British or Mercian. That's the land I grew up in and my parents and their parents grew up in.
Then don't act like the Jews weren't just as much citizens of Germany as the "Germans" were.
Jews were just as much guests in Germany as they are in Palestine.
Then I guess all Christians are "Guests" in the Americas. I guess all White people are "guests" pretty much everywhere except northern Europe. I guess all Russians are just "guests" in Kaliningrad. I GUESS when the Germans were in France, and East Europe, and Africa, they were just "guests." Or was it Conquerors?
Germans are the people of Germany. No matter how much you hate Hitler do not blame the Germans as a nation. You went to them, they didn't ask you to come.
Open your eyes. See justice.
Nobody blames the entire German race. I love the Germans. Wonderful people. There is no justice in the sheep-like following of a psychopath like Hitler though. You open YOUR eyes.

Jaysus, OTP spitting some fire.

@GermanJews
Anne Frank is a perfect example of this.

Xy, the atom bomb was irrelevant in ww2.

It was extremely relevant in the cold war.

Japan was going down anyway, America just needed something to deliver a morale blow. Operation Downfall was very practical.

Something ww2 relevant : the German V-2 Missile. Also semi-relevant to cold war. It was the first manmade object in space, and it did some important terror bombing strikes.

@1k Paper Cranes
I feel worried you aren't instead whining about how people from Chernobyl died from radiation. Shit happens mate.

It was the last action of the war and very damaging to Japan for years. A full invasion of Japan would be hard, given the folk's undying loyalty to Showa. It could take a very long time. The Phillipines were easy enough to take because A, much less population, B, much less loyal population and C, already many islands that had freed themselves from Japanese control. But Japan proper would be much harder, for lack of ABC.

"I didn't say it was alright to murder or rape innocent people. I just said you can't blame the entire nation for what happened. According to my logic Jews have more of a right to be in Germany than in Palestine because they have literally no ties to Palestine but their relatives lived and died prior to and dduring T4R."

You're just a hypocrite, you say something and then tell the upside, you say that the state "host" your mouth, kill civilians or as you say the Jews, because it is right, you say that Jews are not related to Germany, and suddenly you say that we are connected to Germany? It's really cant .
And besides, I'm not saying that all Germans are bad, and even if it was mostly high percentage died, and that a new generation and I have no right to try him for the things of their grandfathers.
And I do not denied that there is not a small percentage of German blood in Ashkenazi Jews, and I seem to have German blood Even the family.
Besides, according to genetic testing Jews have a genetic part of it from the Middle East, they came to Europe after the expulsion of the Romans, perhaps as slaves or were living there. (There was an ancient Jewish community in Rome)
And probably convert and marry a woman of some German women whose scale and Celtic. (Western Europe)
Those who say we are strange genetic findings contradict this, unless the Khazars, were not Turkish.
Besides I'm in Israel because of my religion, I do not care what my genetics and my race as you do not mind that you British Muslim Arab country

And, to remind you of something, a very high percentage of German Jews were assimilated, and saw themselves as Germans like everything, but they did not die in a different way than orthodox Jew

With great talent comes great responsibility



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Ignorant people with no sense of history trying to interpretate historical facts, figures and events - all this thread is about.

Why history?
The greatest and strongest tool to alter peoples sense of understanding of history. Where do general people derive their petty knowledge of history? In schoolbooks, mass-media and close-community? Reliability of prevously mentioned sources - none! Question to propose - ever read and academic literature - the ones which has international standards, bias free, evidents that can be tested etc.? The answer would be probably hardly any?

Giving a argumented reply to these 2-page nonesess already would require a book or even a series. Just starting with OP. Fascism>National Socialism> Aryan Race> hate of yews> Hitler - as a subject trace used in OP.

We call these people Brain Donors :) We really do! I will give you 1 point for raising a question in thread - congratulations you have proved to be above avarage - as asking questions is dying breed. Do any of the following posts even noticed or reply - Yeah, LOL. People have proved to be lacking functional reading skills - you thank digital-social media and computer for that.

Any truth in Fascism? Define truth? Or how would you understand such thing as Fascism? What it is? Do you even know that you try to ask question of truth? It seems not, as you focus only on small keyword of Aryan race, hate of jews and Hitler. If this is your understanding of Fascism then clearly you have not read even wikipedia poor creature. Same goes to subjects as national socialism - have you any sense of what it means in real terms? If you can only link it with nazis then please at least google it. About Hitler and hate of jews - one of the biggests myths to test how gullible people really are. A painted fact to spread as Hitler started hating of jews and it was his personal endevour or fascism´s core principle was hate of jews etc. And about the replies - I like the pary how people claim, forward information like it would be general knowledge yet forget to add source to put any truth behind it. Especially the part where someone said "All historians claim..." wow - really all of them?

Watching documentaries, youtube, mass-media, school-books, commercial wartime "historical" books, your old papa and grannys wartime stories. Good luck poisoning your minds. If you cant get access to academic journals and databases, then there quite a some history learning-reasearch centers that offer basic overview and interpretation - although must be ware of who finances it or what type of angle they produce!

Calling someone fascism as insult is just tip of the ignorance. Its just like the words of noob and pro. It only makes one laught how sort-sighted people are and how they lack understanding of language and its meaning.

Good luck educating yourself or feeding your mind with everyday propaganda and nonsense!

"everything you watch is wrong and I will not explain why!"

Estonian shame...

Paraphrase
" You don't even have sources "

Practice what you preach.

Bereavement say what people are saying this propaganda without basis you could say that everything is accurate it mainly facts theories have true motive of Hitler but everything else is facts

Same goes to subjects as national socialism - have you any sense of what it means in real terms? If you can only link it with nazis then please at least google it.

You do realize where the word "Nazi" comes from, right? It's literally just an abbreviation for National Socialist.

National Socialism, by definition, is only linked to National Socialists- or Nazis.

Edited 6/19/2015 11:13:03

Gonna restate what I said in another thread: Fuck off Tranquilizer. This is a computer game's off topic forum. Very few of us are or have history majors. We're mostly just a bunch of folks who enjoy talking about it. So don't come with all your "Have your sources, don't believe the media" BS. You sound like an angry Conspiracy Theorist. Most of the stuff we've said is common knowledge. And I'm going to quote Ghengis here, because i liked what he said, "Practice what you preach" asshole.

I see there are a lot of inquirers/explorers present here.

So maybe Mr.Tranquilizer or someone else will find an answer to my topic https://www.warlight.net/Forum/95495-living-underground

:)

You do not need to worry Pie. I made huge mistake opening the forum the other day. Nothing has changed! People are the same spammers without logic or any sense of argumentative basis. Pie are your standards really that low only someone who has major in some field must have accurate and critical way of things? Common knowledge? You do not know what it means, or you are simply ignorant. False facts, interpretatons are common knowledge to you? They are, I agree only if you work in propaganda office. Yes, its game forum, and in essence does not matter what forum, one writes out of "enjoyment talking about it" but, does it include by your words terms, which meanings are not known to the writer?

Knyte you are almost right. Nazi = national socialist. But it does not mean that every national socialist is nazi. There are quite a lot and even nowadays non-german national socialism movements. Just the way people link every crime, racism and negativity with national socialism is just absurd. National socialism do not mean only German Nazi party on 20-30s. I just made comment how it was painted in first page.

"everything you watch is wrong and I will not explain why!"
- I just did by deduction, poor donor.

"Estonian shame..."
- Any context you would like to add? Or is America still "Waiting for Superman" to reform their poor education system?

" You don't even have sources ", Practice what you preach.
- What part of my reply requires source? Peoples ignorance (look around in a world, take off your blindfold). Deduction? As far as I see, I posted only criticism towards previously posted arguments. What source are you yearning for or desperately lacking?

Tranquilizer, if all you offer is criticism, you're going to need lots of sources or you're not going to be making any friends.

Oooh you opened a jar of shit bud.

People are the same spammers without logic or any sense of argumentative basis.
On the contrary, we may not have YOUR sense of logic, but we do argue fairly and well. And at least we stay on topic.
...are your standards really that low only someone who has major in some field must have accurate and critical way of things?
Of course not, but you can't expect us to know every fact prior, or do hours of research to make a point on a game forum.
Common knowledge? You do not know what it means, or you are simply ignorant. False facts, interpretatons are common knowledge to you? They are, I agree only if you work in propaganda office.
This is literally an argument about Nazism. There aren't many "false facts" about it, since they all died or got exiled, and everything about them was exposed. Most of what most people learn in schools is enough to know that the Nazis (the full believers) were absolute evil. It's common knowledge because you don't have to open a textbook or a research paper to find it.
Yes, its game forum, and in essence does not matter what forum, one writes out of "enjoyment talking about it" but, does it include by your words terms, which meanings are not known to the writer?
I don't even understand what you're saying here. We don't research this shit for the sake of an argument because we see no need to. This isn't some University debate, or even just a premeditated argument. It's just a bunch of guys expressing their views.

And I see you're still avoiding the "Preach what you practice" quote, which means it got you.

Any context you would like to add? Or is America still "Waiting for Superman" to reform their poor education system?

I'd like to add this context:

Ignorant people with no sense of history trying to interpretate historical facts, figures and events - all this thread is about.

Why history?
The greatest and strongest tool to alter peoples sense of understanding of history. Where do general people derive their petty knowledge of history? In schoolbooks, mass-media and close-community? Reliability of prevously mentioned sources - none! Question to propose - ever read and academic literature - the ones which has international standards, bias free, evidents that can be tested etc.? The answer would be probably hardly any?

Giving a argumented reply to these 2-page nonesess already would require a book or even a series. Just starting with OP. Fascism>National Socialism> Aryan Race> hate of yews> Hitler - as a subject trace used in OP.

We call these people Brain Donors :) We really do! I will give you 1 point for raising a question in thread - congratulations you have proved to be above avarage - as asking questions is dying breed. Do any of the following posts even noticed or reply - Yeah, LOL. People have proved to be lacking functional reading skills - you thank digital-social media and computer for that.

Any truth in Fascism? Define truth? Or how would you understand such thing as Fascism? What it is? Do you even know that you try to ask question of truth? It seems not, as you focus only on small keyword of Aryan race, hate of jews and Hitler. If this is your understanding of Fascism then clearly you have not read even wikipedia poor creature. Same goes to subjects as national socialism - have you any sense of what it means in real terms? If you can only link it with nazis then please at least google it. About Hitler and hate of jews - one of the biggests myths to test how gullible people really are. A painted fact to spread as Hitler started hating of jews and it was his personal endevour or fascism´s core principle was hate of jews etc. And about the replies - I like the pary how people claim, forward information like it would be general knowledge yet forget to add source to put any truth behind it. Especially the part where someone said "All historians claim..." wow - really all of them?

Watching documentaries, youtube, mass-media, school-books, commercial wartime "historical" books, your old papa and grannys wartime stories. Good luck poisoning your minds. If you cant get access to academic journals and databases, then there quite a some history learning-reasearch centers that offer basic overview and interpretation - although must be ware of who finances it or what type of angle they produce!

Calling someone fascism as insult is just tip of the ignorance. Its just like the words of noob and pro. It only makes one laught how sort-sighted people are and how they lack understanding of language and its meaning.

Good luck educating yourself or feeding your mind with everyday propaganda and nonsense!

Like Pie said, preach what you practise - because this is really nothing.