Also my vote got it below 3 and now that doesn't matter :(

>Fridge retires
>Ra knows about fridges map
>Recreates it, gives Fridge some credit
>Fridge comes back
>"You stole my map"
>lolwutdealwithit.jpg
>Fridge makes drama thread

Recreates? Find the differences in the two maps (I found like 2). There are more differences in "Ice Ice Baby" and "Under Pressure" than these two maps.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:25:27

> Fridge puts all the effort into making a decent Europe map
> Fridge decides he doesn't want to release it
> RA decides he knows better
> RA decides to copy Fridge's map and release it as his own
> Fridge comes back and calls him out for it
> RA doesn't apologize or decide to actually credit Fridge for making the map
> People think RA's being a dick and decide to rate his map down to discourage this behavior
> RA makes a bunch of alts and rates his own map about 40 times
> Lawlz, clearly not aware of how intellectual property works, decides RA could do what the fuck he wants and that Fridge (and the majority of people) are just here to create drama, chimes in
> knyte tries to explain to Lawlz how intellectual property works and why it's important
> Lawlz doesn't get it and keeps making the same argument
> mfw



Edited 7/23/2015 03:26:22

>mfw you think this is an actual legal situation
>mfw you think anyone gives that much of a shit
>mfw you will continue defending salty behavior with "intellectual property" arguments

Also, deciding to retire is "who cares about this map I'm done with this game anyways."

> mfw you keep saying RA had a right to something someone else made



Edited 7/23/2015 03:34:26

Lets say knyte is making a map, but retires before finishing it. I like the idea, so I decide to send knyte an E-Mail, saying "Hey. I really like your map and sad that you can't finish it. Would you mind if I remade it, because I think the community could really use this". Within a day or two, knyte replies: "Sure thing Ben. Here is the SVG: *File*" So I publish the map, no problems happened.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:34:47

^ That said, you really don't want to release "Mexico Region 1846." There's a reason I just gave up instead of trying to fix it.

>message a person after they retire
>expect response
>completely serious

8. Intellectual Property Rights
A. Copyright Information and Personal & Non-Commercial Use Limitation
All Service and the compilation of all content included on this Website are owned or licensed by Warlight and/or its affiliates and protected by United States and international copyright laws (© 2009-2015 Warlight. All Rights Reserved). Warlight does not claim ownership of copyrights owned by third parties.

Explain the part where Fridge owns anything he puts on this site.

Warlight does not claim ownership of copyrights owned by third parties.

This part.

> thinking that this is a legal issue and not an ethical one
> attacking everyone for caring
> yet responding to every response he gets
> acting like people shouldn't care
> being the only person who actually looks at the ToS
> caring this much

I don't think anyone here seriously thinks Fridge has any legal recourse. We're just taking actions as a community to discourage RA's unethical behavior from happening again.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:43:30

@Lawlz http://www.copyright.gov/

Warlight is Incorporated in the United States, so these laws apply to this Website.

>It is now ethical instead of legal
>twas but legal all of 20 minutes ago
Nice copout

There were no legal arguments made in this thread until you asked for them. You're so far the first person to bring up legality in a non-facetious manner. This is not worth suing for in any jurisdiction.

Intellectual property may be legally protected, but fundamentally it's an idea that exists independently of legal protections. It's the simple concept that those who make non-tangible items are entitled to what they make, compounded with the notion that protecting these makers' ownership of their product creates the sense of security that's necessary to encourage intellectual work.

Simply put, even if copyright law died tomorrow, intellectual property would still exist. Just as the right to life would continue to exist even if murder were made legal, because it's an ethical concept and not an intrinsically legal one.

Uncle Sam's stamp of approval isn't necessary for some things.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:49:12

Technically knyte, Lawlz was not the first person to mention legal things. Second post in this thread:

sue him

So basically, you want to whine about stealing property he never actually owned, and you expect me not to call you out on the that? Many top keks to you sir

You're so far the first person to bring up legality in a non-facetious manner.

I don't anyone seriously believes Fridge should lawyer up here- there'd be nothing to really fight for, as RA hasn't really benefited in any financial terms. The harshest thing anyone's called for would be suspending RA from Warlight.

If you create something, you have a right to it. Simple as that. Fridge put the effort into it- he owns it. As I've said before, even Fizzer's acknowledged as much:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/99492-open-warlight-map-file

Edited 7/23/2015 03:54:31

Nor did I say he should. I said he was salty af, and most of you just jumped onto this because its drama between the higher-ups and not some low level clan like usual. Mostly Thomas and company.

I don't think that accusation has any backing. I jumped into this because stealing maps is unethical and I think it's important to discourage unethical behavior (because the only alternative is to legitimize it). This isn't really "drama" either, at least not in the same sense as the Falcons stuff where it's just thread after thread of clutter. This is an actual issue that needs to be confronted.

No this is drama. It's not the first time, it won't be the last, fizzer will ignore it like usual and do nothing (see Gnuffles cheating, rigged coin games, and constant rule breaking on the forums). Also, I wasn't referencing you specifically as one of the drama wolves.

The biggest issue is no attempt to contact fridge nor any apology afterwards.