Okay, Urfang, here's what I'll do. Hopefully this will settle my concerns over accuracy and consistency, as well as address your concerns regarding balance and play-ability. I am going to keep Königreich Ungarn as the main bonus, but I will add new ones that look different for each military district. If it's been several hours since I've sent this message by the time you read it, they will probably be on the map already, so let me know what you think.

This was exactly what I tried to propose. I think this gives better historic value and playability as well for the map.

Although I feel still undervalued the income of that region (and Spain and Turkey too) but if your concept is an intentionally unbalanced map I do not dispute it.

And I really dont want to interfere your work, feel free to ignore any of my proposals, but Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia united as you drew only after 1867. Before there were dividual Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Slavonia separated by the military frontier.

You can see here how changed Kingdom of Slavonia between 1751 and 1849.



The situation in 1815 was something like what I drew on the first page of this thread, I posted sources for Croatia, Slavonia, Serbia, and the military frontier too.

Maybe my question will sound strange, but why some of the west countries have more territories that the east ones ?

Urfang: This was exactly what I tried to propose.
Maybe it is, I don't know, but when you made your proposal, I pictured Königreich Ungarn becoming one of those black-box bonuses, which would've made it look like it wasn't an administrative division. That's why I was opposed to it at first, but the way it is now, it keeps it looking like the main division.

Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia united as you drew only after 1867
Are you sure? Because all the maps of the Austrian Empire (as opposed to the later Austro-Hungarian Empire) show Croatia as single, unitary kingdom.

konakona:
It's based on the administrative divisions of the countries. Eastern nations tended to be less industrialised, have lower population densities, and, as a result, have fewer & larger regions.

Edited 8/20/2015 16:40:37

Im sure, now in your map that is the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia, united in 1868 from the former Kingdom of Croatia, Kingdom of Slavonia, and the military frontier. This happened after when Hungary was united with Transylvania and the Banat in 1867.

This is the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia after 1868:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia-Slavonia

These are the pre-1868 Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Slavonia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia_(Habsburg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Slavonia

And this is the military frontier wich was an administrative divison, a military province:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Frontier

The military frontier can be split up into 3 part: croatian, slavonian, and banatian frontier:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Military_Frontier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavonian_Military_Frontier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banat_Military_Frontier

So which ones out of these should be bonuses?
-Königreich Kroatien
-Königreich Slawonien
-Militärgrenze
-Kroatische Militärgrenze
-Slawonische Militärgrenze
-Banat Militärgrenze

Because it seems like all I have to do at the moment is rename Königreich Kroatien as Militärgrenze.

Edited 8/20/2015 20:03:21

Well if you dont want to redraw then better to let as now, however it will be a piece of future on the map.

If you want redraw here is a help how to do:


Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Slavonia can be two single territory with own bonus. Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar (this is one administrative unit) can be split into 2 territories: Voivodeship of Serbia (western part) and Banat of Temeschwar (eastern part). And the military frontier can be split into 3 territories: croatian frontier (western parts), slavonian frontier (central part), and banatian frontier (eastern part).

ok, understand. (even if the desertfox's idea for romania was good )

however it will be a piece of future on the map.
Don't worry, I will change it because this map is supposed to be really accurate. These images you've been sending are really useful, so thank you.

UPDATE: I've made those changes now, is everything in order?

Edited 8/21/2015 14:02:06

i think is too late to add something in that map .I have observed that you added some bonuses (Bulgary, Greece, Bosinia etc.)One for Romania was working too (United Romanian Principlaities 1859 )

Yeah, those white-diamond bonuses are for nations that would otherwise have no bonuses - not for all nations. In the case of Romania, it would have the Wallachia and Moldavia bonuses, so it would be fine. Bulgaria wouldn't have any bonuses ordinarily, which would make any diplomacy game after 1878/1908 very difficult to do. I will also add that these bonuses are only included for nations before 1914.

Edited 8/26/2015 20:13:30

ok

is this map now on testing ?

It's practically finished, still some cleric things.

It's a great idea, and it seems a good map. Although, I'd want to remark that Spain is divided in current provinces, and in that time they were different. So, the nearest provincial division, the 1822 one, was slightly different (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spain_-_Territorial_division_of_1822.PNG). They was a different system dating from 1817, but was not uniform, at the Old Regime style, and therefore it would be ugly for a WL map.

Also, the regions of Spain "España Uniforme" "España Incorporada" or "España Foral" were not regions, but also different kind of Old Regime's economical or political system (The second one is the former Aragon Crown, for example) so I suggest changing it for the real regions, also shown in the provinces' map.

Other than that, congratulations :)

Change the name "Fifeshire" to "Fife".

I love you for making this map.

Can I help test?

How goes the map?