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Edited 10/19/2013 14:24:26

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Sorry it took so long to reply. If it's a post I have to sit down and think about, I usually need a quiet space and time to contemplate, so I push it off until such a time arrives.

But what about freedom? Shouldn't we have the freedom to choose?

What is freedom? Neitzsche's definition is probably the closest to ideal freedom (from a modern standpoint), but far from practical. Freedom is, in a sense, the absence of responsibility and dependence towards anyone, except yourself. You are born and raised until you've come of an age where you are self-sufficient. Then what? That's 16-22 years where you've been living off your parents and tax payers. Nothing comes free, don't be fooled into thinking otherwise. You are dependent on the community - as much as it's dependent on you. When there's a threat to the community, you should know how to defend it, that's the limitation to anyone individual's freedom, be it democracy or dictatorship.

If the government trains us in self defense, why not open a self-defense class?

Self-defense in the military is 1. Specialized, 2. Professional and 3. Not "just a Hobby" Going to kick-boxing class 2 times a week may teach you how to fight and keep you fit, but actual training takes complete focus and rigor. That means putting everything else on hold - family, career, your dreams - to focus on this one thing. That's why conscripts get sent to barracks, separated from civilians.

And if everyone has the same level of fighting skill, wouldn't it render your army training useless?

Going to the military isn't all about learning how to fight. It's about learning how to function as a unit. Take orders, respond to emergency situations and react under pressure. Conscripts that go into the workforce are some of the most professional men and women out there. Of course you hear stories about military dad's who are alcoholics and abusive, but there are those who never stepped foot on a base and are like that or worse. In fact, being a drunk women-beater in the US military can get you a court martial - that's military court, not a jury of civilian peers.

Just because everyone can fight, doesn't mean their training is useless, because learning how to fight changes you from the inside as well. Confidence, responsibility, resourcefulness, goal-orientation - these are all skills conscripts learn and use for the rest of their lives.

OK, you've completely defeated my arguments... :-)
I'd like you to set the next topic.

Bump.

Ok, I'll come up with something over the next day or so, to bring some life back to this thread :]

Sorry for taking so long to post a new question, but I hope this one is interesting enough to make up for the delay! :]

Kanzlerin Merkel erklärt Multikulti für gescheitert in 2011

Chancellor Merkel declared Multiculturalism as an "absolute failure" in 2011


For many intellectuals, politicians and other leading figures throughout history, the concept of multiculturalism is more a romantic concept, than a practical one. These figures emphasize the need for a nation to preserve its laws, language and culture and that immigrants should learn and respect them if they wish to live there. This is not an emphasis on nationalism, they argue, but the need to protect the culture, order and stability of countries that absorb large numbers of immigrants.

Discuss the relativity of this point and whether or not you believe it's true.

Consider it from your perspective (for those living outside the European Union), how would you, your family and your country respond to an increasing number of foreigners? Would it be possible to maintain a metropolis of cultures while upholding law and order and preserving your own nation's identity?

Edited 11/10/2013 00:40:22

A country could maintain its identity but, it would be changed ever so slightly by the large amounts of immigrants/expats, and a country would need to find some way to help them, so no, a country cannot remain completely unchanged.

Immigration from the EU is a big problem where I am (England) and it is clear to see that large parts of the country and losing its 'identity' when the population of British is lower then the population of Immigrants. A good example of this is parts of Birmingham.

But back to the point in hand, cultural identity can be withheld with small levels of immigration, but when it comes on a large scale the 2 cultures get mixed and turned in to something new but often not better.

It is also good to note that this 'mixing' is not often peaceful

Edited 11/17/2013 10:10:36

'Daily(or Bi-Daily)' is getting stretched a little thin here ;)

Meh, it's a dead thread, but then again the Off-Topic forum has been dead since before my return...except for that one thread how what the question is...

Skunk your kinda offending some people here. we came cause lives are absloute shit in our home places, we saved up money and bought homes to live for ourseleves. As far as im concerned, first come first serve so the British Goverment cant say gtfo out of here and let this white live here instead cause we would say fck you big boi i fuck u todaiii

Fireblade, you have a point, but here are some facts you should consider:

1. The millions of immigrants coming into Europe are bringing down the standard of living here.

2. The workforce is bloated, depressing wages. The middle class in Europe is collapsing and people are earning less today than they did 10 years ago, even though the cost of living continues to rise.

3. Many immigrants live off welfare which causes European governments enormous strain.

Immigration is causing the European economy to struggle. Those who profit are businesses and corporations and those who suffer are the EU nationals who were born in these countries. Knowing this, does it really surprise you that Europeans are frustrated? Instead of immigrants working to solve the problems in their own countries, they're coming to Europe and causing new problems. It sound harsh, but it's a reality.

Some might say that the fault lies with profit-oriented corporations from developed or developing countries like the US, Britain, China, India, etc. Those people would be partially correct. However, those who support these corporations by buying their products, i.e. almost everyone, is also to blame.

Also, many of the immigrants who come to Europe don't want try be a part of the culture. Many just live there, while preserving their own culture, showing little respect for the host nation's traditions. Treat people the way you want to be treated, put yourself in their shoes.

Before you say something like "Well, they had colonies, that's bad too" remember: If you blame the present generation for the past, you will teach the future to blame you for their problems as well.

dl;tr? - The point of this discussion is simple, gain perspective.

It's tl;dr, if I'm not very much mistaken...

What the UK (et others) need is an army of rednecks to make a stand.

In that case they should consider hiring American Southern Baptists as mercenaries.