Fair enough.

As I have very few time right now I will just respond about 2 things,


- Jai: "all terrorists are Muslims"

Please keep this way Jai you're only digging yourself in deeper...


- General PE: "They (the Muslims) incite far more hatred against the West than Trump does against Muslims. He says that shouldn't enter for a while. They say we should die. WTF is wrong with this scenario!!":

Did you just say that 1,5 billion people in this Earth should not have the possibility to go the US just because they are Muslims?
And please, the comparison between a single man and an entire population of 1.500.000.000 people (this way it shows better how many people you were targeting at with your comment), is awkward. You seem to understand nothing about how the things go currenctly in the Middle East, of course it is not the entire Muslim population who is terrorist, it is a very very very small part of fanatized people, many even having nothing to do with Islam, a trend showed that at least 25% of the people going for Jihad from Europe were actually not Muslims at all, and anyway the remaining part of people that are true terrorists are people who were criminals, disoriented or mentally ill persons. Again stop confusing everything here...

I don't get how can you that much taint an entire community (the Muslims) the same way (as terrorists)? I guess it's mostly because of ignorance, but again you are lucky that the Muslim community of WL keeps silent, your comments are tactless and totally disrespectful.


(More things to come tomorrow)

I don't see all Muslims as terrorists or America-hating. However, it is a fact that "surveys show that 58% of Muslims in the U.S. reject criticism of Islam as a right; 46% want such blasphemers punished legally. Twelve percent want them KILLED. 25% of Muslims in the U.S. think that jihad SUICIDE BOMBINGS are JUSTIFIED in some circumstances." Althoug these numbers may be slightly high, that is still terrifying. Not all Moslems are terrorists, but many are, and many more support or do not disagree with terrrorist actions.

I see no reason to allow in Muslims when there is a 25% chance they support suuicide bombings. I want to protect Americans. Letting in people who have a 12% chance of wanting us dead if we "blaspheme" is not condusive to safety.

EDIT: I must say, it is nice to argue with someone who (if misguided and wrong) is at least attempting to use logic.

Edited 1/8/2016 01:37:12

^ Give me your sources please before posting figures, I would really like to know where these statistics come from.

Did you just say that 1,5 billion people in this Earth should not have the possibility to go the US just because they are Muslims?
And please, the comparison between a single man and an entire population of 1.500.000.000 people (this way it shows better how many people you were targeting at with your comment), is awkward. You seem to understand nothing about how the things go currenctly in the Middle East, of course it is not the entire Muslim population who is terrorist, it is a very very very small part of fanatized people,

Unfortunately the number is not as small as you think. Pew Research Center interviewed people in countries with high Muslim populations, asking them about their thoughts on ISIS. They have a support rate of around 6-10%. See Link 1.

Another poll reported in WSJ shows 22% of Syrians have a favourable view of ISIS. 82% believe ISIS was foreign made group by namely, the US. See Link 2

Of course, you can argue that ISIS sympathisers are still in the minority, but they are quite clearly not as few as you think. One analysis on the poll I provided in Link 1 calculates that there are AT LEAST 63 million ISIS sympathisers, and up to 287 million if the undecided are factored into the number. See Link 3.

Link 1 - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/
Link 2 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/15/one-in-five-syrians-say-islamic-state-is-a-good-thing-poll-says/
Link 3 - http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/pew_poll_between_63_million_and_287_million_isis_supporters_in_just_11_countries.html


Now I don't fully agree with Trump banning all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, but when ISIS openly releases propaganda videos threatening Jihad/terrorist attacks on western and American soil (see links 4 and 5), and it turns out that there is a significant number of people, albeit a minority, in some countries that support them, and the US and FBI has admitted that it cannot vet refugees coming in for potential terrorists (see link 6), then how do you, as a leader, protect your citizens?

Link 4 - https://www.rt.com/usa/322672-isis-threat-new-york/
Link 5 - http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/18/us/new-york-isis-video-threat/
Link 6 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/11/17/senior-obama-officials-have-warned-of-challenges-in-screening-refugees-from-syria/

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How do you know he does not think this way, explain me. Are you in his mind? You are impressing me Darth Darth, your telepathic skills are fabulous.

I am not in his mind, but his words are out there for anyone willing to listen to them. I have, and he does not believe all Muslims to be terrorists, he just knows that there is not good way to differentiate between the good and the few bad.

So generalizing that every immigrants are robbers and rapists, this is right? I think you do not get the stupidity of his statements here.

Listen to his speech. And you left out illegal again.

Explain me again wtf the British petition is giving credit to Trump at anything? Your logic is weird really.

It's not giving Trump any credit. It's trying to ban him for his views because the nation thinks he's spewing hate from his mouth. If they would go and listen to his speeches themselves, they would find that he is not racist or otherwise prejudice.

Same thing goes for you Darth Darth.

I go out of my way not to take things out of context, which is why I am here explaining to you why your thoughts about Trump are not correct.

Do not even try to reverse what I just stated, how the UK citizens should be ashamed of this, aren't they free to be against Trump's ideas, how dare you criticize their actions, you know what, Great Britain is a democracy, so you are free to make petitions there about anything you want, so if they want to make a petition against Trump, just let them do this, Darth this is a totally arbitrary and peremptory statement.

My statement is sound. Those who have signed the petition do not know what Donald Trump actually said and they are brainwashed with left wing media into thinking he is a racist. Instead of doing their own research to see if he is worth worrying about, they jump on the Trump-hating bandwagon and sign on up, oblivious to the irony and hypocrisy of their actions. Any competent Brit should be ashamed of his brethren for trying to ban a possible world leader for hate speech that he has never said.

Also please explain me what do you mean about “their nation has previously done with many others before this time”?

The UK has banned several people with views the Parliament doesn't find, adequate. It is a shame that the right to petition (which the US also has, in case you didn't know) has been degraded to the point of outright banning people with unpopular opinions.

I believe Snoopdog is banned from the UK.

@Koala - they are from a Breitbart article by Pamela Geller: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/16/geller-do-muslims-around-the-world-really-hate-the-united-states-yes/
I assume you distrust Breitbart and Geller, so I said the figures may be high.

@ Darth Darth: Michael Savage was banned, for instance

Pulsey,

Unfortunately the number is not as small as you think. Pew Research Center interviewed people in countries with high Muslim populations, asking them about their thoughts on ISIS. They have a support rate of around 6-10%. See Link 1.

Notice first that I was referring to the infinitesimal minority who are really part of ISIS, so the number of people fully participating in the Islamic State is indeed as small as I think, researches made upon the real number of the real “ISIS manpower” is not more than 20.000-50.000, and many of them are prisoners, slaves or children kidnapped and taken by force to become cannon fodders, so balance this with the 1,5 billion of Muslims this is rather small don't you think? You are confusing or misunderstanding my statement here: supporting is not being part of it.
And God, 6-10%? what about the remaining 94-90%? Do you find this legitimate to ban an entire population upon the basis of an extremist minority. Guess what, any nation, any people in this earth have an extremist fringe of all kind, shall we ban the French because 10% of them are totally racist? Should we ban the Americans because 10% of them are religious zealots and want to declare war on the World because they think their nation is the chosen one by God? Should we ban the Chinese because 10% of them want to annihilate the Japanese and are still grieving for their action during ww2 whereas most of them weren't even born?
We can say everything and nothing with simple polls that aren't backed up with any serious analysis.

My turn now, lets reverse it and take a look on this extract from the Canadian Norman Lester analysis made upon many surveys about the American People:

In 2003 the Strategic Task Force on Education Abroad concluded that the ignorance from Americans of the world outside the US is such that it constitutes a threat to the country's national security.
37% of Americans can not locate the US on a world globe. 30% are unable to name the ocean that is on their east coast. 80% do not know where Iraq is. Even today, 33% of them are sure that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.
55% are convinced that Christianity was established as the state religion by the US Constitution. Half of US schools do not teach the science of evolution or Darwinism, preferring creationism and focus their teaching upon the Bible. By 2004, only 13% of Americans believed in natural evolution, while 45% thought that man was created by God as revealed in the Bible. The percentage of Americans who accept evolution is lower than it was 30 years ago. 500 years after Copernicus, one in five Americans still think the Sun revolves around the Earth as stated in the Bible. 35% of them believe that what she says is literally true. Moreover, they are 65% said that the Bible answers all the basic questions of life.

Everything said here is really not different from what Muslim fundamentalists believe. Simply replace Koran with Bible.

Nevertheless, even as religious zealots, 60% of them can not name five of the Ten Commandments. 50% of high school seniors think Sodom and Gomorrah were a married couple. 60% of Americans believe that Noah's Ark really existed, 12% of American adults identify Joan of Arc as the wife of Noah. The third of them believes it is Billy Graham, not Jesus that delivered the Sermon on the Mount. 35% believe in UFOs, witches 31% and 25% in astrology.
Among developed countries, the United States has the lowest average IQ with 98. In a survey made by the Program for International Student Assessment, which analyzed the scientific knowledge and logical and analytical abilities of high school students, Americans are 24th with a score of 483, far behind the top five: Finland 544, South Korea with 542, Japan with 534, Canada with 532 and Belgium 529 (hey hey hey!).

If these figures illustrated the ignorance of an underdeveloped country, it would not matter, but they reflect the way of thinking of the citizens of the most powerful country in the world who also believe in American Exceptionalism, in an unique destiny of the United States. Not only do Americans believe in God, but they are convinced that God in His wisdom created the American people different and better than the scum that inhabits the rest of the planet and he has entrusted the governance of the world. May God protect us !

So if I was your Muslim equivalent, upon seeing these statistics and has been said, I would indeed consider you as part of a dangerous people that needs to be stopped (this is what you advocate), if I was a Egyptian I would promulgate a law banning every Americans, see how dangerous they are! You see this cannot work.

As you see, we can tell everything with polls, xenophobic and anti democratic parties use it all the time for their own propaganda, Hitler himself used it once and it worked as he was democratically elected, their use some random figures and misconstrue it the way they want, avoiding the whole analyze. That's how you get truncated views.
That's why polls aren't enough for analysis, you need to read some serious reviews and works, that would enrich your judgment. People only listening to Trump words are gullible, having an unique vantage is what leads to the current situation with American people here commenting wrongly and defending and even trying to justify Trump speeches of hatred (see Darth Darth).

Do you never considered that fanaticism is not due to religion itself, or a so called inherent violence, but actually correlated with socio-economical factors?
If you only did some historical researches, you would understand how this whole argument about Muslims being inherently violent does not stand.
Remember the Crusades? The most barbaric ones weren't the Muslims here but the Christians.
The Islamic culture shone during the Dark ages of Europe, Cordoba the capital of Islamic Spain was the biggest city of the Western world, where you could find the most talented scientists and philosophers, this society was an example of tolerance were Jews and Christians cohabited altogether with the dominant Muslims of Al Andalus, at the meantime the Frankish Crusaders were slaughtering the whole Muslim and Jewish population of Jerusalem.

The fact that a big part of Americans think Muslims are extremists and violent people show how much you clearly know nothing about their culture and history, they just repeat what the Media say, I do not blame you nor other Americans, I blame your education system which is certainly too much focused on the “western, christian, white and anglosaxon culture”, and this is not only your nation, France and Europe are also similar (but improving as since last year the Islamic World history is part of the whole official corpus of teaching in History classes).

I had personally the chance to have different history teachings, mainly because my class was not a French history class and had a very moderate view about Patriotism and Nationalism, but am International class with half of people even not French but Spaniard. So we discussed a lot about foreign cultures, and we even had the chance to make a trip in Andalusia, the very province of Spain which is the best example of what a great Islamic nation could be purified form any extremism.

Yet we talk a lot about ISIS, Afghan talibans, Syrian and Iraq's dire situations caused by the war, but you always avoid the fact that some Arab countries have a thriving economy and culture, the best example according to me is Morocco or even Turkey, Indonesia as the most populated Muslim nation is not that bad either. Anything is not black nor white, if we face currently a strong Islamic extremism and fanaticism it is only because of many economics and social factors.
You understand now why Trump saying we need to ban all the Muslims is utterly stupid. The people that would be prejudiced is not the Muslims, but you Americans, because you will only alienate 1/3 of the Humanity.

Another poll reported in WSJ shows 22% of Syrians have a favourable view of ISIS. 82% believe ISIS was foreign made group by namely, the US. See Link 2

Oh and you know what, this is not totally wrong, ISIS mainly originates from the disaster caused by the war in Iraq, don't blind yourself, the Syrians are here indeed right when they say ISIS has been created by the US, it wasn't created directly by the US of course, but yet, indirectly because of the troubles made by the US invasion of Iraq and its total failure (same thing goes for Afghanistan), most of the leaders of ISIS currently are former generals of Saddam Hussein, when Hussein's regime was destroyed still many generals escaped, and the US and NATO allies did not rightly made their duty, when ISIS started to grow in North Iraq, tell me what was the US army doing? What were they doing while ISIS was still a weak group of criminals wandering in Northern Iraq? Oh yes, the US were securing the Southern part, the precious Southern territories were most of the Iraqis oil is actually located! People like Eklipse will tell us here, it is not the US fault, you can only blame the Iraqis sure. because they cannot have an objective view of their nation, this is a serious hypocrisy, you invade a nation and leave it totally wrecked and in a worse situation compared to before, so again to answer your comment, ISIS is indeed a monster that originates from the US invasion of Iraq, born from the ashes of what remained of Iraq, the US are totally responsible of the existence of ISIS, and only blinded nationalists such as you cannot yet realize or really admit it.

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Darth Darth,

I am not in his mind, but his words are out there for anyone willing to listen to them.

His words were really clear about Mexicans and Muslims, he may not be racist or not even believe in what he says but that does not justify what he said, when you are a celebrity listened and followed by millions of people you have a certain responsibility of what you are saying, and if Trump here is not even able to take attention of what he says, then he is totally stupid, but I would in the contrary bet he is far from being stupid, and if he used these extreme words it is for some reasons (something I will talk about later in this post).

Listen to his speech. And you left out illegal again.

I also believe he does not think every Mexican are robbers and rapists, but still he says these words, and this was purposely to make a buzz hoping that people would talk about it and make it more popular, Trump is not the only politician to do this, many politicians have the same way of doing things, Former President Sarkozy said not that long ago, that the FN (far right and xenophobic party) was a normal party and that their ideas were actually not that bad and should be implemented in his own party.
You see what I blame is Trump and Sarkozy's way of doing politics, they do not take the seriousness of their words, and do not realize the gravity of it as they are listened by millions of people and how much influence they can have on their mind. I will take another (way worse and extreme) historical example: Hitler. Hitler was elected democratically, by progressively conveying messages of hatred, hysteria and fear (the dire German situation also helped greatly), people started to accept and agree on his words. Politicians should be responsible of what they do and say, Trump has many times derailed and preached hatred with many borderlines speeches. Tbh, he really does not deserve that much sympathy, his hysterical view is dangerous, and this is why the British petition was created, and it is hence totally justified.

It's not giving Trump any credit. It's trying to ban him for his views because the nation thinks he's spewing hate from his mouth. If they would go and listen to his speeches themselves, they would find that he is not racist or otherwise prejudice.

Sarkozy is not racist but still he conveys messages of hatred, why? Because all he wanted was to convince some people voting for extremist far right parties to vote for him instead (but even that does not work at all).
I also believe Trump is not racist but still the words he conveys are part of the very same strategy: as he also wants to convince the ultra conservative fringe and a large Xenophobic part of American people, he conveys message of hatred because he only wants to attract these electors, not because he personally believes in this, and this is a great shame! He is lying to himself. This is part of his strategy, and he is like Sarkozy popularizing messages that should be taken with extreme prudence and circumspection. I really do not need to go listening his speeches to know this.
Now, this petition is totally justified a large part of people in the UK agreed on that, because they are not blinded like some of you are, and see the true danger of this.

And you are outraged about a simple petition, the US is not an example anyway. I remember that in 2003 the US asked to their allies to go with them for the war in Iraq, but guess what many states rightfully rejected it, these countries refused to help the US in this invasion that was perpetrated upon a lie (nuclear weapons) and would cause more damage than anything else (see the dire situation currently). After this, as France was one of the leading country opposing the US decision, the US government under Bush started a vast operation of banning French products, a really ridiculous act and if you consider this petition as insulting and abusive, what about this seriously? Tshh.

I go out of my way not to take things out of context, which is why I am here explaining to you why your thoughts about Trump are not correct.

No, you are just trying to convince me with your own subjective words that Trump words are not what they are, God, then Trump must be the most clumsy person I ever know.

My statement is sound. Those who have signed the petition do not know what Donald Trump actually said and they are brainwashed with left wing media into thinking he is a racist. Instead of doing their own research to see if he is worth worrying about, they jump on the Trump-hating bandwagon and sign on up, oblivious to the irony and hypocrisy of their actions. Any competent Brit should be ashamed of his brethren for trying to ban a possible world leader for hate speech that he has never said.

Oh yes,so you seem to know what thousands of people that voted for this petition actually think, and thus voted without knowing anything about Trump, that these people never made any researches about Trump, and that if they disagree about Trump it is because they know nothing, because of course you know better compared to others what these thousands of people have in mind. Is it again part of your telepathic tricks? Admirable really!

Any British person should be proud of their action, and it does have some echo already in other countries, I hope more countries will make petitions against people like Trump. If Britain started a petition against the French politician leader Marine Le Pen, I would congratulate them again and again!

The UK has banned several people with views the Parliament doesn't find, adequate. It is a shame that the right to petition (which the US also has, in case you didn't know) has been degraded to the point of outright banning people with unpopular opinions.

Gosh, what about the US?

Well let's see more in detail which evil personalities were banned in the US! (most of them are British how ironical!):

Some of the notable ones:

Gerry Adams, Irish republican, later President of Sinn Féin, hero of the Irish War of Independence.

Luke Angel, British teen who sent a curse-laden e-mail message to the White House directed at President Barack Obama is banned for life from the United States (notice this was not 100 years ago, this was today... America land of the free ...).

Hortensia Bussi de Allende, widow of Chilean President Salvador Allende, democratically elected (his only sin is he was a Socialist), he was overthrown and savagely assassinated in a coup by Pinochet backed up by CIA. She was barred from entering the United States when she attempted to do so in 1983.

Other notable British having been refused of entry or banned from the US territory (the list is non exhaustive: Mark Thatcher (son of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher), Amy Winehouse, Pete Doherty, Lilly Allen, Kyle Falconer， and the list goes on...

So your outraged posture is a pure comedy!

A message for you and other American Jingoists: focus on your own affairs. In French we have a saying for this: “Balayez devant votre porte avant de balayer chez les autres!”, I think the English equivalent is something like “everyone should keep their own house in order” or “just clean up your own backyard” before judging about what other people do!

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Oh my god you people seriously need to find lives

Banning Trump is stupid, seriously it's juvenile what people say and want these days. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean he should be banned, that type of thing should be reserved for people who actually have done something wrong. Everyone is throwing around these ideas about politics on the forums as if it is just all a big game about who's party wins. Well it's not, you must think carefully before you ban someone from your soil. Besides what grounds do you have? " well I think hes racist! ".....seriously that's probably all you have and in an international court of law they would kick you out faster then Trump switches wife's. I hate trump too but banning people simply because you don't like them is idiotic. Seriously go home and read some books on international law.

A message for you and other American Jingoists: focus on your own affairs. In French we have a saying for this: “Balayez devant votre porte avant de balayer chez les autres!”, I think the English equivalent is something like “everyone should keep their own house in order” or “just clean up your own backyard” before judging about what other people do!

F*cking really? Say that to Britain, listening in on what a US politician is saying.

Conservative grow up please. You are not even able to fully read the whole discussion we had, and you talk about International law? Funny boy, do you even know what International Law is? Did you have any class of International law? Because I personally had some classes at University, so before coming there bawling and saying arrogantly that you supposedly master anything or know something better than someone else (example the whole Gun debate and your own superficial knowledge about European socio-politics), try to build a good argumentation before posting would you, see you next time once you grow up a little more.

Edited 1/8/2016 22:58:18

Good god Koala? What are you five? I was simply putting my input into a public conversation. I know dam well about International law. The difference between me and you is when I debate someone, I don't try desperately to make there arguments look foolish or insult them. What I do is try to see there side and justification and then take from that and build my views. Now I don't know why you are so verbally aggressive but I would kindly ask for you to respect my views as if I was standing right in front of you and not a couple thousand miles away. I don't know, maybe it's a southern,old fashioned, American thing but where I grew up I was tought to always do my best to respect the other person's argument no matter how ridiculous I think it is. Now of course I fail quite often but unlike you I rarely start attacking the person directly. So please, I ask you kindly to keep the conversation polite and interesting

I am dealing with a person who can't see past his own ego; I can't believe I hadn't found that out before.

His words were really clear about Mexicans and Muslims, he may not be racist or not even believe in what he says but that does not justify what he said, when you are a celebrity listened and followed by millions of people you have a certain responsibility of what you are saying, and if Trump here is not even able to take attention of what he says, then he is totally stupid, but I would in the contrary bet he is far from being stupid, and if he used these extreme words it is for some reasons (something I will talk about later in this post).

His words were clear. He hates illegal immigrants and terrorists.

I also believe he does not think every Mexican are robbers and rapists, but still he says these words...

He never said all Mexicans are rapists.

Trump is not racist but still the words he conveys are part of the very same strategy: as he also wants to convince the ultra conservative fringe and a large Xenophobic part of American people, he conveys message of hatred because he only wants to attract these electors, not because he personally believes in this, and this is a great shame!

There you go again with that 'hatred' word. What hatred is he spewing? He's brought to the table real problems and ways to solve them.
"Maybe illegal immigrants should be tracked down and taken care of, with a fine if they come clean and with deportation if they don't." "You xenophobic scum!"
"Maybe we should take time to figure out who we have in our borders before bringing any potential terrorist-linked people in." "YOU SCUM! You would deny Muslims to have a good life in America because you hate them and you are a xenophobe! Screw you! We'll petition your ass, we swear!"
It's people like you that make him out to be this way. If people would just take time to listen to what he, and every politician says, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And you are outraged about a simple petition, the US is not an example anyway. I remember that in 2003 the US asked to their allies to go with them for the war in Iraq, but guess what many states rightfully rejected it, these countries refused to help the US in this invasion that was perpetrated upon a lie (nuclear weapons) and would cause more damage than anything else (see the dire situation currently). After this, as France was one of the leading country opposing the US decision, the US government under Bush started a vast operation of banning French products, a really ridiculous act and if you consider this petition as insulting and abusive, what about this seriously?

And if this were the topic at hand, I would be on your side, because as you know, I am ashamed of people who do stupid things, like economically hindering a country for being against a war, or signing a petition that has nothing to do with British affairs (Balayez devant votre porte avant de balayer chez les autres) with a very misguided purpose of banning nonexistent hate speech.

No, you are just trying to convince me with your own subjective words that Trump words are not what they are, God, then Trump must be the most clumsy person I ever know.

He is clumsy. He's not a good speaker, but he is still able to be understood when actually listened to.

Oh yes,so you seem to know what thousands of people that voted for this petition actually think, and thus voted without knowing anything about Trump, that these people never made any researches about Trump, and that if they disagree about Trump it is because they know nothing, because of course you know better compared to others what these thousands of people have in mind. Is it again part of your telepathic tricks? Admirable really!

I do know better than these ineducated Brits, if they feel the need to shelter themselves from nonexistent hate. It's not a question of disagreeing with Trump, but of what people think he is saying. You don't need to think, because you are able to know if you do your own research and listen for yourself with nothing taken out of context. There's no need to applaud me, I just do what every citizen should be doing: keeping up with their politicians.

Gosh, what about the US?

Well let's see more in detail which evil personalities were banned in the US! (most of them are British how ironical!):

Some of the notable ones:

Gerry Adams, Irish republican, later President of Sinn Féin, hero of the Irish War of Independence.

Luke Angel, British teen who sent a curse-laden e-mail message to the White House directed at President Barack Obama is banned for life from the United States (notice this was not 100 years ago, this was today... America land of the free ...).

Hortensia Bussi de Allende, widow of Chilean President Salvador Allende, democratically elected (his only sin is he was a Socialist), he was overthrown and savagely assassinated in a coup by Pinochet backed up by CIA. She was barred from entering the United States when she attempted to do so in 1983.

Other notable British having been refused of entry or banned from the US territory (the list is non exhaustive: Mark Thatcher (son of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher), Amy Winehouse, Pete Doherty, Lilly Allen, Kyle Falconer， and the list goes on...

So your outraged posture is a pure comedy!

Listen, man. How many times do I have to tell you that I am ashamed whenever this country does something stupid? I haven't brought these cases up, because guess what? This isn't who we're talking about! And I don't think The people petitioned for their being banned, either. And Salvador Allende killed himself.

A message for you and other American Jingoists...

Congratulations. You have mislabeled me.

People only listening to Trump words are gullible, having an unique vantage is what leads to the current situation with American people here commenting wrongly and defending and even trying to justify Trump speeches of hatred (see Darth Darth).

Seriously, screw off if you won't do research. There is no hate speech, I do not listen only to Trump, I am not gullible, unlike certain individuals who listen only to left wing media telling them that Trump portrays hate, and I am not justifying the idiot. I am calling BS on wrong things. If you have done your research, then you wouldn't be saying this crap. But, you are from France, so I guess you might not have the means to all he has said.
Congratulations, you have mislabeled me again.

Francois Hollande should be banned from America. Guy has the name of two countries, that can only spell trouble.

Now, answering koalas charges was difficult sense it took awhile to get passed all the hate and insults but I think I did pretty good considering how many there were.Apparently, I think he was challenging my knowledge on the issue. Koala, I have spent my entire life reading, studying, and learning about Europe and it's culture and politics. Now foreigners not always get it right when talking about other countries ( for instance your apparent hate for the American system sounds strangely related to The communist manifesto.....seriously I have read it and I think you probably have too ) but I do my best. Granted, my knowledge about history
And politics mainly centers around the middle east and America's however I can have an intelligent conversation with any European about there countries current controversies but The Balkans and Scandinavian countries. Unlike you, I have no degree that has to do with politics but the fact that your first impulse was to cling to your degree as a sign of your knowledge tells me your insecure and thus build yourself up by telling others how gr8 you are which naturally makes me feel sorry for you.

Something I love about this conversation is apparently koala knows everything about America and has the God given right to lecture us on things should be done yet, we poor, little, stupid Americans can't even make the slightest criticism. In my eyes this looks like classic French arrogance