@Jai

Its my understanding that the FN is a one-issue party...namely immigration. But I've heard that they are not actually strict capitalists...that they support socialist economic policies.

The FN has historically based his narrative on immigration, and are mostly considered far-right because of that, and for the conservative social value (anti abortion, anti-gay marriage, etc) . They are aslo strongly anti-liberal similarly to the communist party who are far left (actually quite a lot of their voters comes from the communist party), so they get some of the working class vote. They differs from the socialist party and the liberal party - moderate right (conservative party is not a good word for the moderate right in France i think, even though these morons renamed themselves "the Republicans") in that both the socialist and the moderate right are liberals. The socialist party being a bit less liberal and more focused on progressive social issues, while the moderate right is more focused on liberal economy rather than social issues. But both the moderate left (socialist) and the moderate right would be considered democratic socialist in Bernie Sanders definition of democratic socialism. Both of them are social-liberals if you will, with an emphasis on social issues on the left, and an emphasis on economic issues on the right.

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Really? I find that interesting. I thought Francois Hollande was pursuing purely socialist economic policies...although I remember that initially his economic plan was falling flat and he had to change his strategy.

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Funny people always seems to blame either a flawed voting system or a 'dumb' electorate when other parties wins or make major gains, be it the UK, US or pretty much anywhere in the world. Always a refusal to accept that they might simply have different or wrong world point of views.

Funny people like you Pulsey add words I never stated, did I say this electorate was "dumb"?

And if you knew more about the FN you would know it historically traces its origin to Vichy France (yes, Vichy where people collaborated with the Nazis), that its historical leader Jean Marie Le Pen stated ignominious words, now the fact that his daughter is considered as "better" (a lighter form of Trump in terms of Xenophobic ideology) does not remove everything of what FN used to be, before saying bullshit Pulsey try to know more about the very topic.

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It is ironic that you accuse me of adding words you never stated, if you look at my comment, I said 'people' not 'angry koala'. I'm not sure whats with the system when you say there's something wrong with it. My knowledge of French Politics is meagre, but I do believe that the Socialist Party withdrew some of its candidates from some regions to block FN from winning seats. There's the system for you, was that what you were complaining about? Probably not, because in your biased mind, anything that supports your biased opinion is probably justified. Nevertheless, you probably should be clearer next time.

I have no idea what your next rant is about anyway, I never said I supported FN, I don't know nor claim to know much about French Politics. You are the one that seems to be attacking straw man arguments.

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Really? I find that interesting. I thought Francois Hollande was pursuing purely socialist economic policies...although I remember that initially his economic plan was falling flat and he had to change his strategy.

Nope Jai, that's why I was blaming Conservative's comments about Europe and Socialism, because saying for example France is a Socialist state (by socialist I meant the very clichés you have about it) just because our current government is currently dominated by Socialist Party's politicians, this is an utterly simplistic analysis of politics. It does not mean at all our policies are entirely socialistic, they are actually social-liberal (and by social liberalism, liberalism is without no doubt the stronger one here, liberal and very much less socialist currently).

The old leaders of traditional PS representing the real socialist and leftist image and current arent the majority, reformers like the young politician and Minister of Economy Emmanuel Macron (a potential candidate for French presidency), are totally liberal and currently passed very innovative laws in favor of competition, incentive for star-ups, and many structural reforms something right party/conservative leaders even never tempted at all (known as Loi Macron, you can find a link below discussing about it if you are interested Jai).

Actually there are different currents inside the PS, some closer to far left some others closer to moderate right, liberals or even conservatives. This is the case currently, Hollande is in the "right side" of the PS, and his Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, is even more liberal or conservative compared to Hollande, as he is very much against mass immigration, in favor of banning bi-nationalist criminals from France forever, strongly enforcing some authoritarian and pro security rules (well since the terrorist attacks not surprising), recruiting massively police officers or intelligence agents, enforcing the law and strongly and sentences/penalties against people being against the Republic, defending Republican values against any religious/communitarian extremism and strengthening policies against social policies, or liberalizing employee's conditions and favoring the French bosses giving then billions of euros to appease them, everything could be considered much more like conservative policies. That's also why the traditional electorate voting for PS do not recognize themselves at all, and this also explain why in the previous elections PS faced a great decrease of voters, bored of Valls's anti social policies.
He is kinda more patriot to most of the rightwing politicians, and that's certainly because he himself was a Spaniard, people of foreign background while integrated in a society tend to be more nationalist and patriotic.

So currently social policies in France are vastly reconsidered, to give you a comparison, Manuel Valls is something comparable of what Tony Blair used to be, and most of the PS is social-liberal and very much like the New Labour in England, so yeah, very liberal actually. There are also discussion about splitting the party in two, which in my sense would be logical, because even in the National Assembly socialist politicians are disagreeing in many things, a group of Socialist deputies formed 'les frondeurs' (could be seen as the "recalcitrant" MPs), the name says it all, they are most of the real or traditionalist socialists, being most of the time against the current Valls' government.


About Macron Law some links:

http://www.english.rfi.fr/economy/20150710-french-government-rams-through-economy-law-against-left-opposition

http://www.oecd.org/france/the-positive-effects-expected-from-the-macron-law-show-that-france-must-pursue-its-structural-reform-initiatives.htm

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It is ironic that you accuse me of adding words you never stated, if you look at my comment, I said 'people' not 'angry koala'.

Yes and you were replying and quoting one of my post here, so unless you do not know how to use quotes, you were very much answering my own comments.

I'm not sure whats with the system when you say there's something wrong with it. My knowledge of French Politics is meagre, but I do believe that the Socialist Party withdrew some of its candidates from some regions to block FN from winning seats. There's the system for you, was that what you were complaining about? Probably not, because in your biased mind, anything that supports your biased opinion is probably justified. Nevertheless, you probably should be clearer next time.

Again tell me why are you quoting me, quoting a comment about analyzing the gradual rise of the far right party in France ("Another proof our system isnt working anymore is the gradual rise of the far right party (FN), and our dire economic situation is also not helping that's sure.") and replying this:
"Funny people always seems to blame either a flawed voting system or a 'dumb' electorate when other parties wins or make major gains, be it the UK, US or pretty much anywhere in the world. Always a refusal to accept that they might simply have different or wrong world point of views.".
If you were not answering at all my own comment by quoting it again why do you use quotes?

Biased mind and opinion? Sure, I forgot that you are an example and a good model for us here, again very ironical from you.

I have no idea what your next rant is about anyway, I never said I supported FN, I don't know nor claim to know much about French Politics. You are the one that seems to be attacking straw man arguments.

Well I just replied your own comments about the post of mine you quote, I am not the one leading to straw man arguments, again this is hypocrite from you, since you firstly were posting something in response of my own comment with random assertions (and yeah it seems they are randomly posted since you do not even admit you were answering my post with your own quote).

I don't know if you are being genuinely stubborn or just eristic here. Your statement exemplified behaviour I've seen in the past, I decided to state my observation, and in addition included some more sources I've found from my knowledge, namely 'US' and 'UK'. Have you been talking about the British electoral system here? No. Did I mention your name in my comment? No. I just used your comment as a platform for me to express a further observation and opinion. But if you are insistent on getting offended then there's nothing I can do about it.

Surely you understand this???

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Who is the most stubborn one here? Not me, as you are still the one avoiding stubbornly to give me a relevant answer and reason about your quote and comment that has no link at all with what I posted earlier. My own comment was an observation about French politics alongside Hitchslap and the rise of the Far right party FN, I don't get how you can be so much a hypocrite after commenting my own quote (ramdomly) like this: "Funny people always seems to blame either a flawed voting system or a 'dumb' electorate when other parties wins or make major gains, be it the UK, US or pretty much anywhere in the world. Always a refusal to accept that they might simply have different or wrong world point of views. "

You don't get anything I posted earlier, and you post some random comments unrelated to my own comment for who knows the reason: as you still did not explained the meaning of your quoting reply, I am still waiting for a relevant answer and your "I just used your comment as a platform for me to express a further observation and opinion"... seriously do you even believe what you stated has any sense at all? if you do not know how to use quotes just don't use them.
You are obviously for what I read here and before the very kind of people not able to admit they are wrong when they are, I got your weird logic, and here again the fact that your comment is a total irrelevant one just confirmed this, you will never admit it even if it is obvious, you'll keep avoiding it Pulsey.

And the fact that you did not mention my name does not mean you weren't referring to me again, people is an inclusive term, Gosh, your logic is the one biased here.

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Good god...

Koala is mentally deficient in some areas , ignore him.

^ Would you care to explain instead of posting terse responses everytime.

"Who is the most stubborn one here? Not me"



Then proceeds to stubbornly insist that he is not stubborn in a 3-paragraph essay....

Whoops, sorry about that. Mobile formatting is bad and I forgot your exact wording. My bad.

Edited 1/13/2016 17:24:40

^ Thanks to omit again one (very important) word for your biased dialectic, I clearly wrote "most" if I recall it well masterpierround... Fail again.

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