why do says that i am close minded? I am open to discuss anything, isn't it what openminded people should do?

wct:

they have been assumed to be 'abnormal' by the majority of people for so long.



From this sentences alone, I'm not sure if you see the irony here...

You omitted some key context, when I asked him to "Define normal / acting normal." It was literally one sentence prior to what you quoted. Do we have to go into the whole 'quoting honestly' topic again?

You may not realize it, but 'normal' can have different meanings, and the one you're applying in this case is only one of them.

Conservative:

1). It does speak against homosexuality in the New T.

2). You clearly haven't read the Bible much.

3). You aren't a real Christian. Though admittedly, neither at 98% of professing Christians.

Of course, Lord Varys knows who the REAL Christians(tm) are. Of course.

Quick question: Lord Varys, assuming you believe that only true Christians get to heaven (correct me if I'm wrong on that), are you saying that you believe that Conservative will not get to heaven (assuming he continues to believe as he currently does)?

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Lord, quote a passage that goes against it saying it should be outlawed. The bible says it is a sin just like stealing or lust but it does not say it should outlawed or banned and everyone practicing it should be killed. What does it say? it says to pray for them and to help them.

Lord, you truly don't know a single thing about the bible, in fact I don't even know exactly where you are coming from at this point. You clearly are just disagreeing for the fun of it. A true Christian will always try to pray, help, and encourage someone out of sin, not act like an idiot and actively trying to ban a sin from practice

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:13

So it says to pray for them and to help them, close enough anyway
But if the Old Testament doesn't count, just dismiss it

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Oh my gosh stop doing this hitchslap, your just looking very ill informed. That is the old testament. Look, if you cant even get the books of the bible right, just don't go there


EDIT: yeah it does not count in that context. I suggest reading the entire bible, its very intreseting

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I know it is the Old Testament, wich is part of the Bible.
That's why i talked about the 10 commandements, wich are also in the Old Testament, and wich Christians hold very dear. I haven't seen anything in the New testament saying that the Old Testament should be dismissed, in fact Jesus refers to Moses law all the time. And there is nothing in the New Testament saying that the Old Testament laws about homosexuals should be abolished

To provide support for the Old Testament not being applicable:

Matthew 22:37-40

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

@WCT:

1). You are assuming a believe in heaven.
2). You are assuming apparently, that I know enough about Conservative to say whether or not he's going to heaven.

@Conservative

Because, yeah, legalizing gay marriage is totally trying to stop people from singing by commiting homosexuality... that's how you stop them... Also, your saying the Bible says its a sin "like stealing." Stealing is outlawed... your argument does not make sense.

Also, I'm not trying to ban homosexuality. Don't start putting words in my mouth, Conservative.

Love your neighbor as yourself is also in the OT, so loving your neighbors and killing gays are not contradictory statements, unless the OT contradict itself

Christians, if they wish to call themselves that, should not be paying so much attention to the Old Testament. But that's a seemingly unpopular opinion, according to various reaction people have given me when I say that.

I give up on Varys, just go read the bible through



Also, The old testament is not Christian, its jewish. I am talking about why Christians should support gay marriage not jews. The old testament had nothing to do with Christianity. In fact, the only thing it really had related to Christianity was the prophecy of jesus. The new testament is where it all starts. Now of course Christians pay attention to the old testament because it has commandments that also imply to us, however the new testament is where Christians should mostly pay attention too. so, any argument out of the old testament is basically invalid on this issue since gays were to be stoned if we are going by the strict old testament version

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Is Jesus the same God as the God of the OT?

HS: Yes and no and yes.

Yes god is the same. Difference? from the NT on, Jesus ( gods son ) was basically the same as god

so Jesus is technically the one God that set the Old Testament Law

Also, i wonder how you interpret this:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"

Matthew 5:17–18

edit: i'm truly interested, you are not the first christian to tell me that the NT overrule the OT, but you are actually the first i hear saying that the OT is not christian

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Jesus is the fulfillment.

What does that even mean?

"until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"

did i miss the disappearance of heaven and earth?

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"


^ Jesus meant this..

he was trying to make a point that he was not there to rise a rebellion or cast down the prophets. The reason he said this was because many thought his radical new ideas were going to overthrow the jewish way of life. Jesus simply wanted to show the light to the world, not enforce it.

The OT is read faithfully by Christians because it is full of good ideas and has many lessons to be learned. But it is not Christian, it is jewish. The OT follows Israel through its history, recording her trials and moments of victory.

Here is a simple way to put it...


The original Christians were the apostles right? the apostles and jesus appeared in the NT only right? well then since the first Christians appeared in the NT, isn't it logical to assume that's where it all starts?