Did gnomia end up paying?

Gnomia has not paid
Denzy has not paid
Zaeban said he would get a membership sometime this week so we'll see.

It really ruins the experience for everyone since they haven't paid because BP paid for the membership the second the challenge was over (for Heyheuhei). I feel like there isn't enough to force the players to pay other than losing respect and credibility and people can cope with that. Maybe when they make the wager, their account is locked until they pay a membership. With that option I fear all that will do is just lose us members.

Just stinks that people can ruin the experience for others. That's all :(

It's certainly a shame that people are unwilling to hold up their end of the bargain, and it has definitely ruined the experience for everyone. There were a lot of people willing to do this and a lot of potential challengers. It could have been something awesome...

That's interesting how everyone grew interested to our deal. The only 2 reasons I didn't pay yet are: 1) I can't freely assign 30 $ (well, actually I can but that will create me some discomfort at least for few days and I'm trying to avoid it); 2) I wasn't bound with time limits.
I didn't finish playing WarLight, just don't have enough time for it now.
Probably you shall ask "When will you, fuckin' bastard, pay?". Well, sorry, but I can't give you definite date. I was planning to make an operation yesterday, but, again, decided that it will create me unnecessary discomfort and postponed that at least for a week. Maybe I will change my mind and do it tomorrow, maybe I will do it not in a week but in 2 weeks, who knows. I can only tell you about the peremptory day (just to avoid answers like "oh, that dumb will not pay anyway because it will always be discomfort for him"), but it actually means nothing because I will pay earlier. You may consider the day of my anniversary as that day.

Sorry for making you angry.

I guess I should weigh in here since I made the initial challenge.

@Denzy: Your technically right. I did not set a time limit on the membership nor did I make you sign a contract. I purely made the challenge based on integrity. The implicit arrangement was that the loser would pay right away, this is why I stated that I would only play people that I trusted personally or that had a good reputation within the Warlight community. When you lost you said it would take a week, maybe two, so I took you at your word at that point.

Secondly, I am not angry, just annoyed. I still think your a good guy and will eventually pay but are guilty of taking on a challenge where you thought you had a good chance at winning at, then once losing are definitely prepared to stretch the limits on what constitutes "a reasonable amount of time." If you'd like to take a second to think of the two-dozen or so other people who have expressed an interested in doing the same challenge you and Gnomia did. Well they now have to wait because nobody wants to play them now that two players that lost fair and square have gone into hiding.

Lastly, I do appreciate your finally commenting on the issue. But do not downplay why many of us are baffled in how you have handled this. I personally created a 3 person FFA between you, Gnomia and I just to ask how much longer you guys were planning on going without paying. In a week I got no response from either of you. So yes, it look as though you were ducking me or acting that a person who felt guilty for not honoring a bet.

I tried to write this post as respectfully as I could. I'm not going to get into a war of words. My goal was to get the top of the ladder competitive, nothing more. Here's hoping you become members soon but these will be my last words on the matter.

Why not insist the membership is bought first and then refund them if they manage to beat you?
I might have a crack when Ive sussed out the game more!

That seems like more of a solid system. You must upgrade yourself before the first match of the set is created. After completion of the series, if you're the winner you're 'refunded' via paypal by whoever was hosting the challenge.

I tried to purchase my membership unsucessfully. I am getting this message from paypal.
"The credit card number you have entered cannot be verified. Only credit cards from approved countries may be used on PayPal."
It seems that I can not use my card to purchase for membership via PayPal. I will ask around if there is some way to pay via PayPal from my country and come back to get the membership.

So why is the challenger less trustworthy than the one who sets up the one v one? I suppose that one is already a member and has shown the ability to pay 30 bucks, but if yall switched to a system where the challenger pre-empitively pays you can easily end up in the same predicament if the setter-upper doesn't fulfill his/her end of the bargain. The challenger would never get their money back.

I'm not accusing anybody of being untrustworthy, just saying that the problem doesn't go away by changing who has to be honest.

Seriously?

What in god's name does Blue Precision (and those who have agreed to take up the challenge) have to gain from making and reneging on the offer?

For that matter, what does Blue Precision gain from the offer in the first place? His stated reason (to bring more top talent into the ladder) is pretty meaningless compensation for risking $30.

I guess I don't really understand why this is illogical.

What if the inverse had occurred? Both people who lost the challenge paid up immediately. Blue Precision failed to pay up to the person that beat him. Blue Precision accomplished his goal (to get more people into the ladder) without having to pay the money. That is what he had to gain.

Obviously that did not occur because Blue Precision was very quick and honest about it, but if the person who made the offer refused to pay, then what? I don't know why the offerer is inherently more likely to pay up than the offer-taker other than the limited sample size that we have.

In any case, I don't really care. Not actually sure why I got into this. But did want to point out that it is not quite as easily a fixable problem as suggested.

I figured from the start that Gnomia wouldnt pay, his past comments on the forums didnt lead me to believe he would honor this agreement.He seemed to think he would be one of the best players on the site and Blue I think put an end to that.Not to mention he lied about his age and who knows what else for no reason.

Blue your a good man for doing this! Its to bad others cant be the same.

That didnt happen, blue paid right away! and everyone else who i have seen offer to do the same are all good people, i have played with them and I have no doubt that they will live up to there half.

I don't really care for the idea of making the challengers prepay. It will be too complicated if they do win.

But, I think you've far over-valuing the 'reward' of getting new members into the ladder. Do you think that would be worth someone losing their reputation?

Think about it. Blue Precision (and those who have extended the challenge) have committed to buying 'someone' a membership, it was just a matter of 'who?'. If they had no intention of paying, why bother making the offer in the first place? There really is no reward, it's just a generous offer. To call into question the integrity of those making the offer is pretty poor, imo.

Actually, maybe that's not right. Maybe the true answer is don't gamble for a free membership if you don't trust the person offering. Blue Precision made good. If you don't think Ruthless will make good, don't risk $30 to save $30 (or are memberships still $20 right now?). If the challenges get back on track and the rest set up new challenges, don't risk it if you don't trust them.

TypeSomething, the difference is that the people offering to do this challenge are people who have played on this site for a long time and have built up a reputation and furthermore have already invested $30 into the site. They have already established their credentials and have shown they care enough about the site and their reputation on the site.

I mean, what is more likely? Someone like Blue Precision, who has invested money already in a membership for himself and who cares about his reputation here, announces that he wants to do this challenge and then flakes out of it and doesn't pay up, or somebody random takes him up on his challenge and then flakes out?

Your statements aren't "illogical". People still have to trust in someone, you're right. I don't think anyone is disputing that. It's just that it's far, far less likely that someone like BP flakes out of his agreement then some random person who very few people know anything about.

Also, people like BP and Ruthless have people who can vouch for their character. If you knew them, you would realize that screwing people out of $30 just to increase ladder competition goes against what they really want. They ultimately want the site to grow and increase, and doing something shady like that would turn people away from wanting to play here is hardly what they want. Ruthless started the free membership tournament after all. BP, Ruthless, and the other people willing to fundroll this competition just want a more competitive and fun environment and to see Warlight "take off."

Also, I agree with Guy Mannington. I was fairly doubtful about Gnomia myself, but I had hopes that I would be wrong about it. :(

I would like to take you one Ruthless. I have actually played against you before, but you stomped on me.

Question to Fizzer.
If I don't have USD credit card then I can't make the payment until I get one, right? Is that the only way to purchase membership for now? Unfortunately, neither me, nor my friends have USD or multi-currency card. Registering that type of card would cost me additional 10 $ + spending some sum every month for servicing. And I don't need it at all.

...is there any possibility to use WebMoney system, for example?

PayPal supports many methods other than credit cards - this the main reason WarLight switched to PayPal.

Zaeban -- Thanks for letting us know. I hope to see you on soon.