Its a lose-lose-lose at this point. Even if we get rid of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, both those countries are going to be failed states with no political apparatus to rebuild their country, create stability, and end sectarian violence. Even if we get rid of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, neither of those countries are going to take back the millions of economic migrants and refugees that have poured in Europe, which means either Jordan, Turkey, or Germany will be dumped with the problem of assimilating millions of people psychologically scarred from war and (probably) angry from having their country destroyed. That's not something you want to have to deal with - anger + psychological instability = a whole of damage (see America's lone shooter gun violence). Even if we get rid of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, another Jihadist group will spring up somewhere else, get a foothold, and throw the region into chaos. The next stop is probably Pakistan.

The US, Europe, and the Middle East can't get out of this mess. Everyone made their mistakes long ago and now the plan or goal should be containment.

Osama bin Laden actually f*cked everyone in the western world, if indirectly. Impressive. Dick move, nonetheless.

Whatever we are doing to stop ISIS, it doesn't seem to be working. Let's stop tearing Syria apart please. That's step one. Let's recognize what ISIS is doing is genocide ("Never Again," you useless UN). Step two. Getting rid of oil, telling Saudi Arabia to f*ck off. Step three.

+1 Petrol needs to be internationally banned.

both those countries are going to be failed states with no political apparatus to rebuild their country, create stability, and end sectarian violence.

Before 2011, Syria hadn't any (stability/governmental weakness) problems, and nor did Iraq before...well, it's had loads of war and instability, but still. War doesn't mean no way to rebuild. It can be tough to rebuild, yes, but it definitely gets rebuilt. Oslo was rebuilt. West Germany was rebuilt. Iraq and Syria can definitely hypothetically be rebuilt.

Even if we get rid of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, neither of those countries are going to take back the millions of economic migrants and refugees that have poured in Europe

And if the EU was smart, they wouldn't try to give them back, either. Syria and Iraq would love a population, though, that frankly would not be much poorer than the median man there.

which means either Jordan, Turkey, or Germany will be dumped with the problem of assimilating millions of people psychologically scarred from war and (probably) angry from having their country destroyed.

Well, they already are. It's not a problem, as TeamGuns showed you, it's a good. Even if it weren't, it doesn't have to be left to these 3 countries, it's just these 3 countries are the only ones really accepting immigrants in bulk. And assimilating - ha, don't give me that. In short, EU culture is not going to disappear. You know, more ethnic Russians leave Russia than are born each year, since 1991, and Russia's main demographic growth is from (majority Islamic) Kazakh and other immigrations. Russia's culture is not in danger at all, there are few problems with "assimiliation". Also, if they're angry for their country being wrecked, then they're patriots, and support the Ba'ath panarabic movement that their countries were picked on.

That's not something you want to have to deal with - anger + psychological instability = a whole of damage (see America's lone shooter gun violence).

America's lone shooter gun violence = mad folk that got a gun. Also, that's out of 300,000,000 folk, here, there's less than 10,000,000 immigrants and stricter gun checks (with, f.e. psychologic checks).

Even if we get rid of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, another Jihadist group will spring up somewhere else, get a foothold, and throw the region into chaos.

If America/NATO have anything to do with it, it will.

The next stop is probably Pakistan.

Maybe, America has been hitting Pakistan low-scale since 2004.

The US, Europe, and the Middle East can't get out of this mess.

Sure America and EU can - just get out of the Middle East; at least stop military misdeeds there. It won't solve the problem tomorrow, it will in a few years. Russia solved most their Islamist problem by putting a mad devout Muslim former Chechen resistance fighter as Chechnya's head (Ramzan Kadyrov), and then pretty much forgetting about it. By 2010 or so, no problems.

Everyone made their mistakes long ago and now the plan or goal should be containment.

The supposed goal of American government in each war is to "topple dictatorships" "free folk" and "do good". Even if you believe that it is their goal, they're obviously bat awful at it. No America, no NATO.

Why vote for Trump if you can just put a picture like the above into your profile?

Mine is not hypocritical. Many of the people putting up "Je suis" pics are the same ones who condemn all critics of Islam as racists.

Tell me who is the main hypocrite here?

Again you are spreading your political views in a thread that was created to show our support and sympathy to the victims and to the people of Brussels, and talk about a dramatic event, and you derail this thread and you are attacking us for what? Our profile pics? "Je suis" or people with Belgian flags or gathering in public to pray for the victims, all of these have nothing to do with politics.

Whats with the 'Je Suis' thing? I understand the 'Je Suis Charlie' reference, but isn't the language of Belgium Dutch?

And speaking of US presidential candidates, look at Bernie Sander's Facebook profile... hasn't made a single mention of the crisis... I wonder why....
Act least Hillary Clinton has got the usual 'stand in solidarity' speech already!?

How many more 'Je Suis' and 'solidarity' speeches does it take for people to realise that hashtags and profile pictures won't solve a problem? I think its great if these acts attract help trigger new debates, but every time these disasters happen, certain people will 'mourn' in such a manner and a few days later it will be business and politics as usual.

they speak both french and dutch (although they insist on calling the dutch 'flemish' and saying its different)

Always nice to see that horrible events are immediately used to defend and attack politicians. Another reminder how not only terrorists are horrible people, but many others are as well.

Yeah, maybe you don't kill people, but "less horrible" can still be pretty horrible.

It would be nice if everyone could just stop with the blanket statements after days like these (we saw it after Paris as well), but I guess the egoistic and narrow-minded nature of some people cannot be helped. It's difficult not to get pessimistic from all of this.

Trump is a greedy bastard. If he takes the oil and ISIS gets destroyed, then there is no way he will give any of that oil back to Iraq / Syria (who it belongs to)

@Pulsey

Belgium is a trilingual country. Dutch,French and German are the official languages.

On social media Bernie Sanders did mention the attacks on his twitter account and showed respect.

My solution: get cozy with Vlad and Bashar.
Send in men.
F*ck shit up.
Get the hell out of there and let Bashar and Vlad work their dictatorial magic.
And if the Muslims resent foreign control, it isn't us. Voila!

^
+1

Tell me who is the main hypocrite here?

Again you are spreading your political views in a thread that was created to show our support and sympathy to the victims and to the people of Brussels, and talk about a dramatic event, and you derail this thread and you are attacking us for what? Our profile pics? "Je suis" or people with Belgian flags or gathering in public to pray for the victims, all of these have nothing to do with politics.

The topic of this thread is Brussels Attacks. How to deal with Brussels attacks is at least as important as sanctimonious declarations of sympathy and respect. Nobody benefits from your sympathy or respect. People need radical Islamic terrorism to stop, once and for all. But you are among the first to call people racists who offer solutions to the problem, like Donald Trump. That is what makes you a hypocrite. If you don't want to end radical Islamic terrorism, then at least be honest about it and don't tell people they have your sympathy and respect.

Trump is a greedy bastard. If he takes the oil and ISIS gets destroyed, then there is no way he will give any of that oil back to Iraq / Syria (who it belongs to)

Tbh I'd rather Trump make it his personal property than it be given to ISIS, Al-Qaida or Boko Haram. The absolute priority is to defeat ISIS.

And if the EU was smart, they wouldn't try to give them back, either. Syria and Iraq would love a population, though, that frankly would not be much poorer than the median man there.

Yeah, the EU definitely needs millions of unskilled workers that are going to depend on European social security for the foreseeable future.

By that thinking, if a dogma is "defined" by its adherents, then Trump's ideas must be bisexual yet heterosexual at the same time, 45 years or older, and whiteskins.

Haha, no. The movement that Trump is leading is defined by the thoughts and actions of Trump and his supporters. The movement stands for getting rid of lobbyists in the White House, political correctness, radical Islamic terrorism, etc. Trump supporters don't show up at Bernie rallies to hit and terrorize Bernie supporters. They defend themselves against attacks at Trump rallies, and they have every right to do so even though the media tries very hard to take it out of context and paint a picture of unprovoked violence against "protesters".

The topic of this thread is Brussels Attacks. How to deal with Brussels attacks is at least as important as sanctimonious declarations of sympathy and respect. Nobody benefits from your sympathy or respect. People need radical Islamic terrorism to stop, once and for all. But you are among the first to call people racists who offer solutions to the problem, like Donald Trump. That is what makes you a hypocrite. If you don't want to end radical Islamic terrorism, then at least be honest about it and don't tell people they have your sympathy and respect.

What I do not get is why do you have to attack us for a profile pic? You say people with 'Je suis' pics are hypocrite? How do you know them all? People of any beliefs and opinions are represented and there is no need to insult them The Lord. This won't help at all.

And you say I am a hypocrite, I know at least one person (my former English teacher) that lost a friend during the Paris attacks, and the father of a guy I know who is currently in Brussels with no news of him at all since yesterday. This tragedy is touching me personally so the least you can do is show respect and stop with your propaganda and derailing thread with your shit. As Math Wolf said for such horrible events some of you are immediately used to defend and attack politicians, this again has nothing to do here.

And do not put words in my mouth I never stated at all I never said Trump was racist, I clearly stated I did not personally believe he was racist but he is nonetheless defending xenophobic and backwards theories just to attract a special electorate, he is lying to himself, like Nicolas Sarkozy also used to have the same strategy, renouncing his personal ideals to attract some electors, and this at the end will fail.

You say people with 'Je suis' pics are hypocrite?

No. I say people with 'Je suis' pics who also attack critics of Islam as racists or panderers to racism are hypocrites. I don't see anything hypocritical in posting a Belgian flag and also criticizing the current Islamic mainstream.

I know at least one person (my former English teacher) that lost a friend during the Paris attacks, and the father of a guy I know who is currently in Brussels with no news of him at all since yesterday. This tragedy is touching me personally

A politician that I support has been dishonestly branded as a racist or at least a panderer to racism by politically correct hypocrites who claim to 'respect' and 'sympathise with' the victims of this attack and others. They are effectively blocking solutions to the problem by making it impossible to criticize the source of the problem without earning a questionable reputation. It touches me personally that I cannot say what I think without many of those very same people calling me a racist. Just because I don't personally know anyone who died in Brussels doesn't mean I don't have a say. Saying that you cannot criticize politicians in the wake of a terrorist attack is nothing else than using that tragedy to silence people.

he is lying to himself, like Nicolas Sarkozy also used to have the same strategy, renouncing his personal ideals to attract some electors, and this at the end will fail.

Talking about French politics, do you think everyone, or even most, or Front National voters are racists? And if not, why do the other two major parties offer no workable solutions to mass immigration? Is it a big surprise that Front National gains support when Hollande, after the latest Paris attack, only offers his sympathies to the victims and says that the attack shouldn't be used to criticize Islam? By his inaction, he is inviting more terrorist attacks.

Lord, stop bringing racism into everything. You do this every thread when anyone does anything.

It's not me calling Trump a racist or a panderer to racism. The moment others stop calling him one, I will stop talking about it.

It's funny. Islam isn't a race, but somehow critics of Islam or radical Islamic terrorism are still called racists.

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The first person to mention race at all was you. You brought up both race and Trump and you implied that only Trump could defeat ISIS when it is clear that ISIS is not going to last regardless of the elections.

Trump was called a racist way before this thread even existed - and not by me. I referred to that to point out hypocrisy, which was my actual point.

Trump has no relation to this thread or this topic directly. There is no reason to bring it up here, and accusing others of calling him racist and bringing him up is purely hypocritical.