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World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-27 17:06:10


PJ 
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Very cool, I d be in.
Would everyone be able to participate? Or do you plan to have a max number of players and some selection filters?
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-27 17:30:06


AWESOMEGUY 
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Push, here's a sample Slow Earth game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9982346

Non-default kill rates make 3v2 attacks work, but have no leftovers.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-27 17:37:54


Kenny • apex 
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Yeah, Commanders suck so badly XD. I will protest until we can change the value assignment!
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-28 02:09:42


Pushover 
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tomjh, none of those points make sense. These are double elimination tournaments.

PJ017, in the past this was open to everyone without selection filters. I see no reason why we should stop, as it's hard enough to get 100 people to do anything. In season 2 even when adding players throughout the season bye accounts had to join tournaments.

In season 3 I will poll season 2 participants for season 3 participation, add that to people replying to the threads that say they specifically want to play, and this will form our initial list of participants. Then, for all tournaments that are slow to start, I will make a call for participants on the forum to see if I can avoid using byes (and add them to the participants list).
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-28 15:03:34


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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I could use some games. Put me in.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-28 16:31:12


GeneralPE
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I am not interested, but Imperium Romanum is fun with LD
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-28 17:43:30


Prabster Realm
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A Srilankan here
Willing to join
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-03-28 18:53:44


Waka 
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prabster, nationality doesn't matter in this, it's more world series because everybody is free to participate in it actually instead of representing their country or their clan they just represent themselves.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-03 18:26:59


Pushover 
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There was a nations league or something like that before. It was pretty cool, not sure what happened to it.

As for WSOW, I will for sure use these templates:

Classic Ladder Medium Earth 0% WR
East Asia & Oceania with Classic Ladder army/neutral settings
Battle Islands V 0% SR with Recon cards
Ancient Greece 0% SR
Guiroma 0% SR

I think I want one more "normal" template. Turkey LD would have been it but too many people are complaining about it. So I'm going to go with:

Treasure Map 0% SR

Then there are the weird ones. These are included in an attempt to make WSOW diverse enough so that players don't just play the same way in all tournaments.

French Brawl 0% SR with modified bonuses, 0.5 extra income per territory, and light fog
Snow Mountains Multi-attack
Fast Modified Medium Earth 0% SR 75% off kill rate 50% def kill rate

French Brawl is picked because no one complained about it in the thread.

Snow Mountains is picked because several people wanted a multi-attack template, and I wanted to choose a map that wasn't already used in another tournament.

Fast MME is picked because it exploits interesting settings and no one complained about it in the thread.

Alternates I am considering for any "weird" templates that get lots of negative feedback:

Ancient China - a unique template but I hate the map design (lots of wasted space) so I'm tempted to omit it.
Battle Islands MA - this would replace Snow Mountains
Complete Fog on Battle Islands

What would help me the most: when you reply, please say what templates you like and which templates you dislike, so I'm not taking the feedback of complaints only.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-03 18:45:33

awesomeusername
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I'm interested in this.

All of the templates look good to me (assuming by "classic ladder" in EA&O you mean 2 neutral armies 0% WR rather than the real-time ladder template). Fast MME looks interesting, not sure I've ever played a game where attacking kills more than defending. Ditto the complete fog one.

I'm not familiar with Ancient China, could you link it?
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-03 19:02:56


Pushover 
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Here is a game on Ancient China:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5794478

The map is super weird as are the bonuses and it's light fog. Makes for interesting games though.

You also get 3 airlifts that don't replenish, and an abandon (now called emergency blockade) that also doesn't replenish.

And opponent's cards are visible.

Edited 4/3/2016 19:06:18
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-03 19:08:11


master of desaster 
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I love strat me, french brawl, snow mountain MA, less great but still awesome: Battle island MA, guiroma, greece, treasure map.

I don't enjoy Ancient china as much but overall your templates are absolutely great for me!
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-04 11:51:35


Buns157 
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https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10885013

Could replace turkey as the LD template. I've only played one game on it but it feels much quicker and more fun than turkey LD.

The template might need to have the capitals removed though, Luxembourg is too good of a pick.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-04 13:40:48

talia_fr0st
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REVISED Points System:

1st: 50
2nd: 35
3rd: 25
4th: 19
5th-6th: 14
7th-8th: 10
9th-12th: 7
13th-16th: 4
17th-24th: 2
25th-32nd: 1
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-04 14:33:00


Beren Erchamion 
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@Buns, you could probably leave the other capitals. Just remove Luxembourg.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-04 14:33:25


AJordy_
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I'd Like to get involved in this again, did a few of the tounreys last time :D
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-05 05:23:13


Pushover 
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Fance LD looks pretty good but rather untested, and I don't want to use it and French Brawl as well, for map diversity.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-10 04:14:29


Pushover 
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About points... Ineffable originally seemed to just pick nice round values that seemed right, but his methodology wasn't completely arbitrary: season 2 points resemble an exponential function with respect to number of rounds won in the loser's bracket. Meanwhile tomjh is suggesting a quadratic function based on number of rounds won in the loser's bracket, which doesn't skew tournament wins so heavily. I'm inclined to use something similar to tomjh's method.

In a 64 player double elimination tournament, there are 11 total losers bracket rounds (going 0-2 means you win 0, winning the tournament means you win 11). After some heuristic experimentation I've come up with the formula points = 4x^2 + 10x + 5 where x is the number of losers bracket rounds won. This generates the following points table; I also scaled down the points from season 2 to sort of match the point totals I generated so you can see a rough comparison:

1st - 500 (1000)
2nd - 415 (600)
3rd - 338 (400)
4th - 269 (300)
5-6th - 208 (200)
7-8th - 155 (150)
9-12th - 110 (100)
13-16th - 73 (75)
17-24th - 44 (50)
25-32nd - 23 (25)
33-48th - 10 (12.5)
49-64th - 5 (5)

So the proportion of points in the earlier rounds are about the same, but places 1-4 are nerfed, particularly the top two places. I think this is a good balance between requiring players to finish high, but doesn't give too much weight to placing first.

What do you guys think?
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-14 07:47:59


Pushover 
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Sounds like I should stop talking and start generating the roster for season 3. Still have to figure out playoffs before I do that though. feh. i guess people can maybe expect private emails this weekend as i figure out who from season 2 will play season 3.
World Series of Warlight (WSOW) Season 3 Planning: 2016-04-14 07:58:38


Krzysztof 
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i'll play
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