https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ

Nearly everything he said that is deemed "racist" is taken way out of context.

It's at best, very very dumb, but more likely just racist. I mean, to imply the majority of Mexicans are killers and rapists? To fully ban Muslim immigration into America, and to have the watch patrol neighbourhoods not based on crime rates, but based on majority faith of the neighbourhood?

Also, DDB, that's a dumb profile picture.

I keep thinking it's Zeph damnit.

And Juq, I'm sorry but you took the trollbait. Now that you said something rational he's going to hunt you down for ages.

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Trump is white so every statement he makes is racist.

He didn't say anything bad about Mexicans as a whole, just illegal immigrants, and he didn't limit those descriptions to illegal immigrants from Mexico, but went on to say that illegal immigrants were coming from other countries, including countries located in the Middle East.

He wants to temporarily bar Muslims from entering the US and figure out which bad guys we already have here, most likely by not allowing Islamic-majority countries from flying in, which, due to vagueness and loopholes, is federally legal. That is not to say I advocate for this idiocy. And Islam is not a race.

Majority faith is not dealing with race.

Now that you said something rational he's going to hunt you down for ages.

You know nothing about rational. Still, everything Xapy says has rationality behind it. In the examples he provided, though, it seems he lacks some knowledge that can only be had by watching the speech himself. Still, that requires the skill to properly translate Trump's shit-tier speaking.

Also, DDB, that's a dumb profile picture.

I lost a bet with Zeph. I don't know why Lord has the same one. Maybe Zeph got him, too?

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It's really stupid at best, stupid with some racial undertones at worst.

I lost a bet with Zeph. I don't know why Lord has the same one. Maybe Zeph got him, too?

I didn't. :L Probably just trolling.

It's really unsettling. I keep thinking I'm going to read retarded posts but I end up reading DDB.

It's really unsettling. I keep thinking I'm going to read retarded posts but I end up reading DDB.

You gonna take that, Zeph?

He didn't say anything bad about Mexicans as a whole, just illegal immigrants, and he didn't limit those descriptions to illegal immigrants from Mexico, but went on to say that illegal immigrants were coming from other countries, including countries located in the Middle East.

Ok, that's not racist, that's just xenophobic, it's not much better.

He wants to temporarily bar Muslims from entering the US and figure out which bad guys we already have here, most likely by not allowing Islamic-majority countries from flying in, which, due to vagueness and loopholes, is federally legal.

No, he doesn't want to "figure out which bad guys we already have". That would be doing what Gary Johnson wants to do - ban immigration from high-risk countries based on how many bad effects immigrants are doing for each country that they come from into America.

And Islam is not a race.

Majority faith is not dealing with race.

Race just means faction nowadays, it's an outdated word. Racist just means discriminating on some cultural aspect. But whatever, what word would you suggest in stead of racist?

Also, there was that one time when Trump wanted to shut down all mosks in America but chose against it.

what word would you suggest instead of racist?

Xenophobic, anti-(enter religion here). Basically, the correct term for the situation.

Also, there was that one time when Trump wanted to shut down all mosks in America but chose against it.

Yeah, he switched from that to wanting to put cameras or guards in them. Since Mosques are gathering places and public and not sacred, I'm not sure if that's legal or not. There's probably some dumb loophole that would make it legal. This would be a case of Islamophobia.

Race just means faction nowadays, it's an outdated word. Racist just means discriminating on some cultural aspect.

No, it doesn't. It means, and has always meant the belief that a race is superior than others.

The fact you perceive the definition of 'racist' has changed is not surprising. You just subconsciously (or maybe you've always known) acknowledged how liberals have been loosely throwing labels like 'racist' , 'misogynist' 'literally Hitler' or 'bigot' on peopel with differing opinions for years, abusing these labels to a point where they no longer hold their true meaning.

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Xenophobic, anti-(enter religion here). Basically, the correct term for the situation.

It means, and has always meant the belief that a race is superior than others.

Well, not even that. "racist" means discriminating based on "race", but what is "race"? Also, xenophobia and islamphobia, those both mean you're scared of them, not that you hate them. I'm what'd be called in English a "homophobe", but I'm not scared of gays, just dislike them. So these words, eh. Racist is just the blanket word.

A frain: was Hitler racist?

The fact you perceive that the definition of 'racist' has changed means you acknowledge how liberals have been loosely throwing labels like 'racist' , 'misogynist' 'literally Hitler' or 'bigot' on peopel with differing opinions for years, abusing these labels to a point where they no longer hold their true meaning.

Exaggeration is sometimes a problem for English liberalists, as it also is for English conserves, libertarians, and socialists. So what?

Also, meanings change and words evolve. "Lord" no longer means just anyone who shields some bread, and "lady" no longer means just anyone who makes it. Sometimes, these changes come about through exaggeration.

Sometimes, these changes come about through exaggeration.

Its not exaggeration. Exaggeration only applies to word with arbitrary/subjective contexts. (big, small, good, bad.) Racist is absolute. You are either a racist or you are not. Its just downright abusing a word with negative connotations to satisfy your political purpose.

Bernie Sanders makes a racist remark when he says 'White people don't know whats its like to be poor'. It is well established that both white/caucasian and black/negro people are individual races. He is suggesting that the former type of people is unable to experience particular sufferings (poverty) simply because of their race. This is of course, untrue, as there are many poor white people, and therefore racist. Indeed, probably the most racist thing said on the entire campaign.

Exaggeration is sometimes a problem for English liberalists

So you do acknowledge its a problem then? You seem to be encouraging the problem by how loosely you've thrown the word racist in this thread. You called Trump's comment 'more likely just racist' before taking it back a few posts later!

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Its not exaggeration. Exaggeration only applies to word with arbitrary/subjective contexts. (big, small, good, bad.) Racist is absolute

Trump constantly uses hyperboles and this is what Juq meant by exaggeration, hence he is totally right, and about "racist", Trump never mentionned "racist" as a word in his speeches, what is said here is his overuse of statements with xenophobic/racist tones, so try to not be out of context for once Pulsey.

Bernie Sanders makes a racist remark when he says 'White people don't know whats its like to be poor'

Let's talk about quantity. In terms of demagogic speech, overuse of racist/xenophobic comments, Sanders is not reaching Trump, not even close.

Let's talk about quantity. In terms of demagogic speech, overuse of racist/xenophobic comments, Sanders is not reaching Trump, not even close.

Yes well, except nobody (you included) have yet to provide a comment along with explanation that proves Trump is a racist. Indeed, this is the point of this thread - to find 'racist' statements from Trump. Жұқтыру original.y provided a comment which he thought was 'racist', which he then concedes was 'not racist' after it was debunked.

For the sake of argument, I have provided a comment to argue that Bernie Sanders made a racist remark, an argument which you seem to have accepted when you said 'lets talk about quantity'.

So, to 'talk about quantity', so far Sanders has made 1 racist comment, Trump - none. Are you following?

Trump constantly uses hyperboles and this is what Juq meant by exaggeration, hence he is totally right, and about "racist", Trump never mentionned "racist" as a word in his speeches, what is said here is his overuse of statements with xenophobic/racist tones, so try to not be out of context for once Pulsey.

I don't know what you are trying to say here, I'm not sure if you understood the discussion at all. We were discussing the objectiveness of using a label such as 'racist'. It has nothing to do with Trump mentioning the word 'racist' in his speech.

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Trump is a racist

Again out of topic, did I ever say Trump was racist? What is denounced here is his statements with racist and xenophobic tones, and by the way he can say things and not believe in what he says (I already mentionned it, many politicians are like him, neglecting their own ideals to attract more electors like Sarkozy did during the 2012 elections, let's be honest this is an even more repugnant behavior).

I have provided a comment to argue that Bernie Sanders made a racist remark, an argument which you seem to have accepted when you said 'lets talk about quantity'.

Yes it is racist, however you have a weird custom to skip the debate everytime, here with the gravity of Trump's statement made all along these elections (can't you see the very title of this thread?). Juq already reminded you some, and you skip it as usual, and you prefer to refuse to debate about the actual topic, by moving it and derailing the debate with Sanders's only racist remark he ever made during these elections. Hence the "quantity" remark, because after all, this is what matters, Sanders can't compete really with Trump in terms of overreaction, racist/xenophobia/hate speeches, demagogia and the list goes on. We can all agree on it. You have to be better on it seriously.

I don't know what you are trying to say here, I'm not sure if you understood the discussion at all. We were discussing the objectiveness of using a label such as 'racist'. It has nothing to do with Trump mentioning the word 'racist' in his speech.

And I am not sure if you understand yourself, you wrote "Exaggeration only applies to word with arbitrary/subjective contexts. (big, small, good, bad.) Racist is absolute" (which is actually wrong since exaggeration can also apply to whole sentences and speech constructions, hence my remark about hyperboles that you seem to totally ignore, if you only ever heard about figures of speech...), we are not debating about the word "racist" but about his "racist statements" or "remarks with racist/xenophobic tones", do you see the whole nuance now? Again you seem to have a real problem with staying in the very topic.