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buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:04:45


Lionel Hutz
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Did Buns stay at the top because he is the best or because of his tactics?

Billy Walsh, I warned you not to persist. Now, you just got served:



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Billy Walsh you stand accused of violating Warlight's Terms of Service Section 13(A); subsections (ii) and (xii). The crimes you stand accused of are harassment of individuals including, but not limited to, Buns157 and defamation of said individuals.

Libel is defined as defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures. With no specific definition in the Terms of Service to what constitutes defamatory remarks, libel by definition is included under the term defamation, and constitutes a violation. Under Washington State Legislature, to prove libel, the person must prove that the statement was false, caused harm (including, but not limited to, reputational harm), and was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement.

The statements made against Buns undoubtedly cause harm to the individual's reputation. The evidence supporting the defamatory statement has been minimal verging on nonexistent, and has since been countered with stronger evidence in Buns' defence. As such, there already strong evidence to suggest the defamatory remarks were made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement.

All that then remains to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, is that the statements made are indeed false. The core encompassing statement that will be proved false and defamatory is as followed; "Buns is deliberately staling the 1v1 ladder".

When he restarted the ladder in January, he completed 11 games in 5 days. His last 11 games have taken over two months.
This was the only credible evidence that supports Billy Walsh's claims. This much is true. The evidence has been gathered from here: https://www.warlight.net/LadderGames?ID=0&LadderTeamID=10115

However, it only tells half the story. The same source can actually give a far more accurate analysis of Buns' last 11 games and that alone is the indisputable proof that Billy's defamatory remarks were made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. Let's present the adequate research into Buns' last 11 games which Billy felt was unnecessary to provide:


The average speeds very strongly show that during these 11 games, Buns was not stalling. There is only one game here that is slow enough to possibly argue was stalled, but one slow game is insufficient evidence. On the contrary, the fact that these 11 games took over two months to finish tell me that it's far more likely his opponents were stalling or they were simply long games. Further evidence in Buns defence is that his one loss among these games had the fastest average speed of the entire data set above; if you were to stall at all, you would surely stall your losses, no? Maybe Buns is trying to hide the fact he's stalling with some fast losses? Well then let's specifically look at Buns' losses, shall we? There are only 5 non expired losses to consider, but for a larger data set we'll add the 5 most recent expired losses too. Here is the analysis of Buns' 10 most recent 1v1 ladder losses, which happen to date all the way back to August 15th 2015:

Again it is clear Buns is not stalling. There is not a single game in this list that you could strongly argue was stalled. If anyone feels they can find clear proof that Buns is stalling the 1v1 ladder, I can save you some time; I actually had a quick look at every single result Buns achieved in the 1v1 ladder since August 15th 2015, and not just the losses listed above. There is already clear and sufficient proof Buns is not stalling, but for your peace of mind, I will also tell you that approximately 95% of Buns' 1v1 ladder games had an average speed less than 5 hours. Rest assured, Buns is not stalling the 1v1 ladder.

Billy Walsh, in light of this evidence, you have been proven to be guilty of harassing and defamatory statements in violation of Warlight's Terms of Service. Attempt to dispute this evidence without several examples of case in point that support your argument and you'll only further embarrass yourself. Typical legislature concerning defamation will give you the opportunity to repair the damage you have done, so I will afford you the opportunity to publicly admit your statements/accusations were in fact false and unfounded. Make this public statement and include apologies to Buns, and also to the Warlight Community for misleading them. You have 24 hours. If you do not comply you will face the penalties of either suspension or termination in accordance with Warlight's Terms of Service Section 13(D). You will be reported for your violations, perhaps even by several players, and the report will present the same evidence gathered here, as well as the screen captures and forum links to all of your defamatory and harassing statements.

I have not looked at the other four players you listed as players who are stalling, Billy, nor do I plan to. If however you make another potentially defamatory thread against a specific individual, much like this one, I suggest you have your facts straight before you do. A second embarrassment such as this and nobody will pay any attention to further accusations you might make, even if they do ring true.

If Billy Walsh does not meet the demands for his redemption and, upon being reported, also manages to evade suspension or termination with a just warning from this incident, I then ask of Fizzer; what level of defamation do the Terms of Service mean to protect us from? Make an example of Billy Walsh. If not this once, certainly upon his second offence.

P.S. You're the only hater here Billy https://goo.gl/OB6iBM
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:16:46


Ox
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ROASTED
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:21:22


Nox
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Well Buns completed another in less than 3 days so add that to your logic
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:22:44

e_e
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nice post u got there public defender

how u like them apples now billy

who the hater now

ur pics were annoying as shit

Edited 5/2/2016 13:23:01
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:38:45


TeamGuns
Level 59
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BURN!!!!

Shit got hot now.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:42:54


Wally Balls 
Level 59
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Think I found Buns' alt.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:46:19


Buns157 
Level 68
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Nah
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:50:45


Wally Balls 
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buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 13:54:05


Nequam
Level 52
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Any WL player who lives in UK is clearly Buns.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 14:42:43

Aste
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"In tennis, golf, anything, to stay on top you have to keep winning. You don't just get to the top and then play one tournament every 3 years. "

Amen.

By the way, why do people keep insulting Billy on a personal level? I don't think he ever said that Buns is not a very good player and deserves the top spot. However, a point can be made that once players reach the top spot they gradually slow down their pace and play fewer games, which if compared to many competitive sports is unheard of.

1 possible solution: give rating penalties for players that complete fewer than a fixed pre-defined amount of ladder games per month or so. Exceptions can be made if the player in question is stalled by some opponents.
This way every player, top or bottom of the ladder will be encouraged to keep the pace up regardless however many games they focus on at once.
Feedback on this idea?
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 15:01:27


Wally Balls 
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I don't think he ever said that Buns is not a very good player and deserves the top spot.


Correct. I'm sure he earned being #1 and he may even be good enough to hold it down if he played more games, faster. His rating gap over #2 is pretty wide, that obviously takes a lot of skill. The system is broken though and he is exploiting it. Or taking advantage of it. Or benefiting from it. However you want to word it. I think this loophole should be closed so he has to play more, him and others.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 15:02:18


(deleted) 
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PUBLIC DEFENDER OUTTA NOWHERE!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 16:05:20


Kenny • apex 
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Man, I wonder what you would've said if Math Wolf was #1 right now. He plays at an average of 2 days per turn. Even if Math Wolf had 4 games active he wouldn't be finishing games as fast as Buns. Get over yourself Billy.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 16:07:47


TeamGuns
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You need to play at least 20 games unexpeired to stay ranked, so 20 games every 5 months, 30 if you wanna keep the 1 game at the time setting. So currently buns has to play 20/5*12 = 48 games a year to stay ranked, 30/5*12 = 72 games a year to keep the 1 game at the time seting.

So, at the current setting he's playing he needs to play 72 games a year to stay at his position. How the fuck is this unfair?? Sure you may want him to play 2 games at the time, but he still can only play 48 games a year if he wants to by playing slower, which is less than what he does currently.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 16:21:49


Wally Balls 
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buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 16:29:38

Red Λrmy 
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^great link

I like the bit where the woman called you an asshole lol
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 16:41:25

Jammyb'stard
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why is a "public defender" charging someone with offences?
Isn't that just wrong??
Stick to your job and defend him bozo
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-02 16:43:11


Ox
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Any WL player who lives in UK is clearly Buns.

So glad I live in Scotland and not the UK. I'm more of a sliced bread person myself.
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-03 11:28:55


Wally Balls 
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Damn. Maybe it is not (all) him.

When I started the ladder everybody played fast against me. Now that I have a decent rating, almost everybody is playing super slow. It seems people like to take their time when playing better players? Lame...
buns finally completed a ladder game.: 2016-05-03 11:31:18


TeamGuns
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Did you think that they might be better players because they play slower?
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