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Trump: 2016-05-04 15:38:02


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I saw a comment recently where a guy laid out all his reasons for hating Trump. Here they are:

1. Sending refugees back to Syria

2. "Mexican rapists" comment

3. "Overt racism" over BLM

4. Cutting his [Trump's] own taxes

5. Personal misogyny


These seem to be fairly universal reasons for people disliking Trump, so I will refute them.

1. Islam is not good for any nation; they were brought here without consent from the people; they could be ISIS, ISIS-supporting or just extremist. America first.

2. Bullshit. Taken out of context; DDB can back me up here. We've has this conversation before.

3. Criticism of an organization supportive of criminals and criminal actions isn't racist. They manufacture issues. If he said Black Lives don't matter, ok. But this is bullshit too.

4. He wants 25% instead of 39.6%, but he will also make sure they pay all of it. Also, he lowers taxes for everyone, so you can't say the rich are getting favored.

5. "Personal" misogyny? So anytime you insult a specific woman you hate women as a whole? Please. He call men names all the time, but no one says he hates men. Look at his record - he employs women, and has never said anything about women in general. This is like saying Republicans are racist for insulting Obama. Manufactured issue.
Trump: 2016-05-04 15:54:53


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He supports bombing the families of ISIS folk, enough to not be for him.

He's also a protectionist, very bad.
Trump: 2016-05-04 15:57:28


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Those are both fair criticisms, especially the second. The ones I listed are just the left-wing propaganda put out by the MSM.

On the bombing families - total war is the only way to win. Everyone who has ever taken off a band-aid know quick and hard is better than slow and long.

On protectionism - I disagree with him.
Trump: 2016-05-04 16:01:45


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DDB can back me up here.

I can back him up, here.
Trump: 2016-05-04 16:43:39


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This is pure barbarity, the morality of fighting ISIS is pretty good until you start killing random folk on purpose. It's debatable as it is if the US is already doing that. Stepping down to the level of Mashriq is absolutely the wrong thing to do.
Trump: 2016-05-04 16:52:12


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He's also a protectionist, very bad.

What's so bad about protecting American jobs from outsourcing? What's bad about preventing foreign corporations from destroying U.S companies?

Protectionism is the least of Trump's flaws, it's one of the areas where I actually agree with him.

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Trump: 2016-05-04 16:54:43


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Protectionism is anti-free market, anti-capitalism , anti-competition filth. If you want a better economy, remove restrictions, don't add them.
Trump: 2016-05-04 17:05:01


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OMFG Scottish election is tomorrow and nobody gives a fuck, American election is on the day after never and everybody hypes the shit out of each other.

And there's no need for hype. You're kidding yourself if you think Trump can win. Nothing you can say will persuade the people who have common sense, so hush.
Trump: 2016-05-04 17:06:59


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I wish you luck, Ox. ;)
Trump: 2016-05-04 17:45:21


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Protectionism is anti-free market, anti-capitalism

Capitalism is fueled by greed, to be frank, I don't give a cent if something is "Anti-Capitalist". We can't fully get rid of Capitalism, but we can restrict certain aspects of it.

My philosophy is: If a Socialist policy is needed, use Socialism. If a Capitalist policy is needed, use Capitalism.

I'll never understand people who uncompromisingly cling to the "Free market" as if it's a religion or something.
Trump: 2016-05-04 18:35:15


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Because socialism is a cancer on the entire world, a blight that has infected the psuedo-capitalists as well as the leftists, I feel entirely justified in opposing it.
Trump: 2016-05-04 18:35:26


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Because socialism is a cancer on the entire world, a blight that has infected the psuedo-capitalists as well as the leftists, I feel entirely justified in opposing it.
Trump: 2016-05-04 19:00:57


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You can oppose it, but (trying to be as neutral as possible), sometimes arbitrarily siding with capitalism no matter what is somewhat illogical. For a balanced society (not my ideal one), you want to take bits of capitalism and bits of socialism (in a far more comprehensive way than I can devise; don't say it is impossible because I can't come up with a scenario: I am no expert), and use them when they're logical.
Trump: 2016-05-04 19:03:22


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Except socialism isn't logical, and neither is government. They're the systematic use of violence on peaceful folk for the benefit of a ruling class that uses the concept of the greater good as a justification for the violence.
Trump: 2016-05-04 21:21:38


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1. Islam is not good for any nation; they were brought here without consent from the people; they could be ISIS, ISIS-supporting or just extremist. America first.


Isn't it ironic, though, that murderous Christian extremists were brought, or rather, invaded America, and killed most all Americans, and pretended they were Americans? It's very ironic you say this. I definitely don't like some Islamic policies, just as I don't Christian ones. Christians, though, have since betrayed their Book, and became more irreligous, making them generally safer, though the Christian literalists, well, they're still killing folk. Muslims, though, as a whole, have betrayed their Reading much less, and are much more literalist. Egypt has one of the most devout Muslim populations, more than half the country wants Islamic theologic law for everyone, not just Muslims. But they obey their book, and in their book, there shall be no compulsion in faith, and as a result, most Islamic countries have a low murder rate, relative to their living standards, and I don't think there's any Islamic country not at war that has a higher murder rate than America, which is much more developed and Christian.

And if you want to get into the past of it, modern science developed in the Islamic world, and the Islamic world was one of the laxest faiths in the world until 1258.

Now, those Mashriqar, they've been called by all the Islamic scholars and theologians as not Muslim, so maybe if they were, this problem would not be there in the first bit, eh?

Taken out of context


That's what Trump supporters always say. Here's a quote taken out of context: "women...don't have a country". Anyhow, he said that Mexico is sending evil folk to America, and he even later said that he wasn't talking just about immigration. "I said "Mexico is sending"— I'm not knocking immigration or immigrants". That's like saying that generally, if you go into an Albanian neighbourhood, you're going to get killed, when actually Albanian neighbourhoods have lower murder rates than average.

Criticism of an organization supportive of criminals and criminal actions isn't racist. They manufacture issues.


I don't think Trump is bad for criticising BLM, but for pretty much refusing to condemn or criticise KKK, while doing this? Hmm.

The highest form of patriotism is dissent.

On the bombing families - total war is the only way to win. Everyone who has ever taken off a band-aid know quick and hard is better than slow and long.


So are you willing to sacrifice you, your family, and your friends for supporting a far more dangerous organisation, if America reached its end?

Even if America was trying to do the right thing in the Middle East (it definitely wasn't), even with torture and land troops, and all that fun, they totally failed in their "goal". Get out, it's better for everybody - no grounds to attack America (it's not fighting the thugs anymore), less spending for America, and less bloodshed.

What's so bad about protecting American jobs from outsourcing? What's bad about preventing foreign corporations from destroying U.S companies?


Why should Americans be fat and lazy and be given everything on a plate, and compete only with their own weak selves? American jobs are not stolen, Americans can still get them (well, with minimal wage, maybe not, but still), and foreigners are not in any way favoured to get these jobs, actually, probably less favoured for some jobs, since they are less qualified. And foreign businesses do not "wreck" American businesses, American businesses fail themselves out of their own incompetence (and disproportionately high taxes on them).
Trump: 2016-05-04 21:22:51


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Woooow, Butler. you so edddgyyy
Trump: 2016-05-04 21:25:34


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One more problem about Trump, and this is more on the homefront: he supports torture of ordinary prisoners, too.
Trump: 2016-05-04 21:35:24


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they've been called by all the Islamic scholars and theologians as not Muslim

I doubt with 100% certainty that his is true. Even if it is, Islamic scholars have embraced groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and even Al-Qaeda with gusto.
Trump: 2016-05-04 21:56:46


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I couldn't find one Islamic theologian that did call it Sunni Muslim, however, they have been called Kharijites (non-denominationalists) by a few, so I guess you are right.

most all*

Also, can you show me where the IRM, God's Group, or The Base have been called Muslims by neutral Islamic theologians?
Trump: 2016-05-04 22:00:25


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Woooow, Butler. you so edddgyyy

Ox, when was the last time you actually argued a point I made? Or do you just like making petty insults instead of arguments?
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