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Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-09 20:12:01


master of desaster 
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Could we maybe combine the commander setting with the ld setting?
That way we could add another template instead and the chances of getting a bad template would be decreased by 50%.
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-09 22:09:48


Turkish
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hahaha I don't think they're bad, they are decent, they have some strategic sense!
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-09 22:27:55


Motoki 
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not saying i disagree with you but mod you don't even play!

-edit- sorry mod was just trolling you :P

Edited 5/10/2016 03:16:02
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 00:43:49


TeamGuns
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not saying i disagree with you but mod you don't even play!




Seems like he does now lol...



And I like the idea. The template would be at least interesting...

Edited 5/10/2016 00:44:11
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 01:00:59


Deadman 
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not saying i disagree with you but mod you don't even play!



Seems like he does now lol...


He means MoD doesn't play with two accounts which is against Fizzer's rules.
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 01:35:02

player12345
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+1 Sułtan's France LD changes. Actually, there's a good chance those updates will be used (RT ladder).

I just played a game with these settings and it was a blast. The old Turkey LD games were typically fun but sometimes you'd get a 2 hour game if you had a scenario of East vs West separated by a choke point.

A similar scenario seems far less likely with this France LD template. Give it a try.
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11091092

Edited 5/10/2016 01:35:38
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 04:00:09


master of desaster 
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Player12345 that template was not ready yet at the moment it got nominated by sultan. He posted about that earlier. But i doubt fizzer will look at it at this point
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 10:55:20


ps 
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gnuffone: i saw no contribution from you when fizzer was asking for what was to be polled. you get what you give.

mod, sultan: perhaps you shouldn't be showcasing an improvement on a template with a game that ends in 2 turns?
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 11:06:50


ps 
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Another issue of manipulation is the very bad CLOT framework. Here are things that Fizzer needs to do ladder-wise:

1. Allow players to run their own CLOT for 10-20 or 30$ a month, allow cost to be split between players.

10$ package can support up to 10 players and up to 5 templates.
20$ package can support up to 25 players
and up to 10 templates.
30$ package can support up to 50 players and up to 25 templates.

All CLOTs would use the same rating system as the RT ladder, and you can chose between RT (3 min 8 banked) and MD (3 days)

CLOTs are advertised on a separate page. Everything else is the same as the ladders.

2. A second 1v1 Ladder, using the Strat ME 0%WR settings.

3. Add atleast 10 new templates to the RT Ladder, keep the commanders and LD (just 1 each) so the chances are lower. The whole point of the RT ladder is to have a lot of templates (and to be RT), so we should have atleast 20.

4. Change all (1v1, 2v2, 3v3) of the ladders from having games expire after 3(or is it 5?) months, to having games expire after it is their 51th non-expired game. This would OBLITERATE stalling. When implemented, every player with more than 50 games would have all their games expire, but no other games would.


all of these ideas are stupid.

1) if people can't be bothered hosting their own CLOT, they wouldn't be willing to pay fizzer to host it either. and it's a bitch technically to support hosting without security issues. the only real issue is advertisement of the CLOTs on warlight, which muli script is doing right and Fizzer should be walking that way to allow more players to see it.

2) People cry that Strat ME should be 16% WR not 0% WR. So you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Regardless: having 2 ladders on similar settings is counter productive because it dilutes the active players between them, making both of them have crappy competition.

3) i agree increasing number of templates would be better (12 or 15 would be ideal imho), but there is no need to jump into an absurd number of templates which will scare any new players from joining. rotating new templates in and out every few months is a lot better.

4) your reasoning that players will be discouraged from stalling if their games expire after a certain number instead of a date has no merit. it would only get people playing less ladder games, which would make it even worse.

an idea i would like to see implemented that would improve ladder activity is realtime tournaments that use templates from the RT ladder counting for the realtime ladder ranking.

Edited 5/10/2016 11:09:08
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 11:19:26


Scrooge McDuck 
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an idea i would like to see implemented that would improve ladder activity is realtime tournaments that use templates from the RT ladder counting for the realtime ladder ranking.


Ps do you mean small real-time tournament like autogame? can be a good idea in my opinion
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 11:28:21


PJ 
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Thanks a lot for the poll Fizzer!

Do you envision such a poll to take place every now and then (for example before every new seasonal..?) so that the community can keep providing feedback on various things?

Would there be a chance to add the following high-rated templates to the RT ladder:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10905468 Strategic Phobia: 3.511450382
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10467150 Post-Melt Antarctica: 3.383458647
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10887159 Qina: 3.172932331
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10761004 British Raj: 3.162790698
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 11:45:37


Deadman 
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an idea i would like to see implemented that would improve ladder activity is realtime tournaments that use templates from the RT ladder counting for the realtime ladder ranking.


Comments:

  • How does the rating change based on this tournament? Only the winner benefits? Top 4 get points? Points are proportional your finish in relation to the size of the tourney?

  • Are there any limits on the number of RT tournaments you can join in a 20 hour period?
    If not, this just allows people to play more games(in which case, why not get rid of the 20 hour restriction to play another player instead).
    If there are limits, that seems like writing quite a bit of code to track the number of RT tourneys played in a 20 hour window.

  • It makes it harder to weed out alts(which Fizzer is against on the RT ladder).
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 13:27:28


ps 
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MOTD: i would just count all the games in the tournament as RT ladder games and affect participant ratings accordingly. ignoring the 20 hour no rematch window for the tournaments. it might make sense to have official times on rotating schedules (to help different timezones) to call people to participate in them.

Edited 5/10/2016 13:27:49
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 16:41:16


Master Jz 
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+1 to replacing Turkey LD with Snow Mountains MA (instead of the lower rated France LD)
+1 to adding more templates to the ladder (especially if keeping less popular templates)
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-10 21:06:09


Jefferspin 
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Troll
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-11 03:25:56


BADA
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Does anyone know when the next seasonal ladder will start?
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-11 10:37:44


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Please don't ruin a community voted poll and ignoring results by adding a commander + local deployments template.. I really dislike it and it would be enough to put me off playing the RT Ladder, I know some others who feel this way.

I support the suggestion of upping it to 15 templates with the new templates being a score of 3 or higher in the polls.

Again, I would be sad to see a community voted RT Ladder of 10 templates ruined by adding a Commander + LD template , 2 templates that contained these settings didn't even pass the 3 score in the poll! It's just stupid and would ruin it personally for me.
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-11 10:56:29


Buns157 
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Have any of you complaining about LD, actually played the France LD template on the ladder yet?

I know a couple of you have, but seems like people just like to follow the crowd on hating LD without giving the new template a go first.
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-11 11:00:20


master of desaster 
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https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11138755

Example game of the improved version of the ld template. The bonus in the north fixed, no abandon card, 2 airlift cards instead.
Official ladder poll: Results!: 2016-05-11 14:37:40


TeamGuns
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@Buns157

I have tested the LD template and watched a few games on it. I have to say it's better than turkey, and the airlift cards as well as the map shape should prevent too long games in some way, which is an improvement.

However, I still dislike the template for the fact that it is a repeated map (French Brawl is already there), but also because it is still possible to stall the game for ages if someone is really into it.
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