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Would you be fine paying taxes in Switzerland, then? They have direct democracy so their government is much less corrupt and more legitimate than the US one.

Direct democracy is one of the most corrupt systems. Candidates are pre-selected based on who wants them in power, and the peoples' vote is based entirely on identity politics so if you're X race or X religion you vote for one person regardless.

if you resist being kidnapped, you will be shot.

No, you'll probably be electrically shocked unless you're very hazardous (have a gun).

^ if ur luckie

^ if ur luckie

Direct democracy is one of the most corrupt systems.

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Direct democracy is one of the most corrupt systems.

Not in this universe, buddy.

X, with police forces that are incredibly corrupt, and trigger happy, that depend on the use of force to sustain themselves, I seriously doubt that the government will fall short of killing you when the number of folk killed last year numbered at over 1,000, with most likely hundreds more in deaths not recorded because of corrupt police.

If 51% vote to enslave the 49% that is still immoral.

If 51% vote to enslave the 49% that is still immoral.

Define morality.

Guys I'm a communist now! I'm going to strike on this thread. You guys can continue to post your boring political definitions but I'll not continue to post for the next 2 hours.

police forces that are incredibly corrupt

Should be easy enough then, just be a nepotist. Or an "investor".

trigger happy

1,000 in a country of 325 million...trigger happy? Don't forget to put /j

a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.


Now if your moral system has enslaving folk as ok, then fine, but if you're a person with consistency, or any historical knowledge about what slavery does to a slave-using area (technological stagnation), then you should be opposed to it.

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a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.


Now if your moral system has enslaving folk as ok, then fine, but if you're a person with consistency, or any historical knowledge about what slavery does to a slave-using area (technological stagnation), then you should be opposed to it.

You're playing with words here. You say that forcing people to do anything they don't want to do is slavery, and then argue that slavery leads to technological stagnation.

First of all, I don't think slavery always leads to technological stagnation. The Great Wall of China was built with 1 000 000 slaves, for instance. Secondly, paying taxes is not the same thing as being forced to work and having all your human rights taken away (which are upheld by the evil state btw), even if you decide to call them both slavery.

So if slavery is forcing me to do anything I don't want, and you are trying to force me to live in a stateless society, then you are enslaving me. That's immoral!

I was talking about actual forced labor. I mean, common, I can distinguish between extortion and forced labor. Also, slavery leads to technological stagnation, since labor saving devices make slaves more obsolete, and since the folk who hold slaves are usually the ones that invest in things, they don't invest in labor saving devices because that makes their slaves less valuable.

Also, the state doesn't provide or protect rights. The US enabled slavery after all.

So 51% don't vote to enslave 49% after all, we agree.

Who protects rights if not the State?

Who protects rights if not the State?

In the AnCap world you have to protect them yourself, or rely on others to protect them for you. If you're too weak and don't have anyone to stick up for you, well "lol sucks to suck".

No, that cannot be! That's slavery! Oppression! Immoral! AnCap world cannot be immoral!

Bring the US out of this thread.