Islam isn't a race Billy

I repeat:

You lay out the exact terms you'd like to use to describe Trumps despicable behavior and I'd be happy to use them so you can quit distracting from what matters with this nonsense.

Unless you're saying there is nothing wrong with saying something like "Muslims are terrorists" then this is just pedantic and irrelevant drivel. You lay out the exact terms you'd like to use to describe Trumps despicable behavior and I'd be happy to use them so you can quit distracting from what matters with this nonsense.

I already layed out the terms I would like you to use, and I did it in a fairly specific manner:

Categorizing all muslims as one race is very much discrimination against a religious group (which is the term we need to be using, not "racist") and implies an ignorance of the fact that there are followers of Islam from practically every race

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lol

No, that is not the "one simple reason to take them in." According to you we should let in known terrorists, murderers and rapists. Great for the economy!

I never said that, you're the only one who did.

And to debunk your terrible idea; No, that's not good for the economy. Most known rapists, murderers, and terrorists will be locked up in prison and basically be a drain on the economy.

The reason to let them in is that this is America and we don't discriminate. Especially when Muslim immigrants (or whatever terms you want to use) are no more harmful than any others, so Trump's whole basis for denying them is absurd.

Lol, okay this is america and we don't discriminate. Ever heard of segregation?

Also, Muslims are statistically speaking more dangerous than other migrants. Just check out this list of terror attacks in the latter part of 2015 which is dominated by islamic extremism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_2015

Now granted we are talking about something like 0.0050% of muslims being radical compared to around 0.0000% of everyone else, but this statistic is still relevant when you're talking about such a large group.

Islam isn't a race Billy, it's a intolerant believe system that has proven time and time again to conflict with Western values of Equality and Democracy.

How exactly is this? A full 1% of americans are muslims, and in a lot of places in the west these numbers are much higher. There may be some teachings in the quran/hadiths that oppose western values, but the vast majority of muslims just don't give a crap.

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discrimination against a religious group

The very use of the word 'muslims' is imprecise, so this isn't accurate either. He doesn't care about white Germans who converted to Islam, for example. Very likely doesn't care about East and Southeast Asian muslims. I'm not going to say what kind of muslims he doesn't want because you still have not explained to me how I'm supposed to refer to those people without you whining about it.

I never said that

You also didn't say that you're not a giraffe but I can infer from what you have said that you are indeed not a giraffe.

Ever heard of segregation?

It's 2016.

Muslims are statistically speaking more dangerous than other migrants. Just check out this list of terror attacks

Terror attacks are the only type of danger?

0.0050% of muslims being radical compared to around 0.0000% of everyone else,

It's not 0.0000% of everyone else. Non-muslims commit terrorist attacks. See: school shootings. And the Oklahoma City bombings. Do muslims commit more? Probably. But what I care about are dead bodies, not the way in which they were killed. And I would like to see the data on the number of deaths attributed to each immigrant type. I'd bet a lot muslims are at or near the bottom and hispanics are at the top.

The very use of the word 'muslims' is imprecise, so this isn't accurate either. He doesn't care about white Germans who converted to Islam, for example. Very likely doesn't care about East and Southeast Asian muslims. I'm not going to say what kind of muslims he doesn't want because you still have not explained to me how I'm supposed to refer to those people without you whining about it.

It's not imprecise. In fact, there is very little ambiguity in the term. It's literal translation is "One who submits to God", and it is defnined as:

Muslims consider the Quran to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet and messenger Muhammad. They also follow the sunnah teachings and practices of Muhammad as recorded in traditional accounts called hadith.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim)

Refer to them as a religious group, a group of people primarily from asia, or a group of peanut butter sandwiches. It's really very simple, just don't call it "racism", as discriminating against certain sections of dozens of different races certainly does not qualify as "racism".

You also didn't say that you're not a giraffe but I can infer from what you have said that you are indeed not a giraffe.

It's only common sense to assume that I am not a girrafe. It's not common sense to assume that I am for loosing rapists and murderers, and in fact this is a completely ridiculous thing to infer from any sentence. The only logical justification for assuming that I am for loosing rapists, murderers, and terrorists is if I explicitly say so (Which I have not, in fact I have explicitly said the opposite).

It's 2016.

I'm not sure why you're going to try to tell me that there is absolutely no discrimination that ever happens in the US. This is a completely ridiculous assumption to make about any country.

It's not 0.0000% of everyone else. Non-muslims commit terrorist attacks. See: school shootings. And the Oklahoma City bombings. Do muslims commit more? Probably. But what I care about are dead bodies, not the way in which they were killed.

If you want to be really precise, it's not 0.0000%, it's much less than that. That is, around 0.000043% of americans are radical terrorists (182 out of 323,740,000).

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It's not imprecise.

It's imprecise in this context. What Trump means by Muslims. I explained that and you ignored it and deliberately misinterpreted my words.

You have done this repeatedly. As such, I cannot continue this discussion. It's pointless to respond to what you are saying as you will not address my responses directly and with intellectual integrity. You'll keep shifting the goalposts and coming up with more straw men to attack. That's not what people who are right do. That's what people who know they are wrong, but don't want to admit it, do.

I went ahead and read your other responses and as I expected, each of them was fallacious nonsense that did not address my point.

You should learn to just admit when you're wrong. You look foolish and lose all credibility when you take this route.

That's what people who know they are wrong, but don't want to admit it, do.

Actually, what normally happens when someone is wrong is that they insult your intelligence and then storm off in a huff, refusing to respond to any of your points.

Kind of like what you're doing.

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You did the same thing just now, that's a straw man, that's not what i said nor did.

Ironically, you accused me of what you keep doing: not responding to my points.

If you'd actually like to go back and address the points that I made, I'd be glad to explain why you're wrong. But you haven't addressed any of them. You quoted pieces of them out of context and invented straw men and random red herrings and other drivel. But my points remain. You tried to evade them.

Example: Muslims and how it's imprecise in this context. You haven't addressed that, you came up with some other unrelated nonsense, deliberately misinterpreting what I said, even though I explained it with examples.

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You did the same thing just now, that's a straw man, that's not what i said nor did.

It's not a straw man. your full post was:

You have done this repeatedly. As such, I cannot continue this discussion. It's pointless to respond to what you are saying as you will not address my responses directly and with intellectual integrity. You'll keep shifting the goalposts and coming up with more straw men to attack. That's not what people who are right do. That's what people who know they are wrong, but don't want to admit it, do.

Parts where you "refused to address my post and ran off in a huff" and "insulted my intelligence" are bolded.

Only quoting the relevant parts of your post does not imply a straw man, it just makes the discussion easier as you can tell exactly what part of your post I am responding to.

Example: Muslims and how it's imprecise in this context. You haven't addressed that, you came up with some other unrelated nonsense, deliberately misinterpreting what I said, even though I explained it with examples.

My response was not unrelated. You made a baseless claim ("the definition of muslim is imprecise, he only wants ban arab muslims"), and I simply refuted this. How do you know that he only intends to ban arab muslims and not indian/pakistani muslims?

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More nonsense that did not address what I said and/or misrepresented what I said and/or misrepresented what took place.

I'm not 'leaving in a huff' it's simply pointless to try to have a discussion with you as you don't have an ounce of intellectual integrity. You're like Donald Trump, no matter what I say you just lie and lie and lie and lie. I'll pass on pointing out your lies some more just so you can then lie again.

All I'm going to say is that refusing to have a discussion with someone and instead repeatedly insulting their intelligence is a much stronger implication that you're wrong than imaginary straw men.

All I'm going to say is that refusing to have a discussion with someone and instead repeatedly insulting their intelligence is a much stronger implication that you're wrong than imaginary straw men.

Imaginary? This is a straw man right here. I never insulted your intelligence. Not because it's not worthy of insulting but because that's getting into 'offensive language' territory and I'm not going to get banned for pointing out the blatantly obvious. Even you know it and I never said it.

Trump's Racist? Well damn, put him on this list of racist people:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Also, give me one example of something Trump has said that is racist and I'll give you a counter example.

Also, take this test. Get one question wrong and you are just as racist as Trump.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pnDkrCsDQ

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How is Obama racist?

If:

Trump + Wall = Trump hates Mexicans

Then:

Obama + ObamaCare/Welfare increases = Obama hates Black people, limiting their job options

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Obamacare and welfare increases help black people. If you say the economic costs end up hurting those they are trying to help, 1) you might want to lay off the Mises.org articles and 2) that's not just harming black people, it's everybody who uses those services.

There probably is some way to call him racist but that ain't it.

Welfare and healthcare doesn't prevent anyone from working benjamin. That's non-sense. While the wall in Mexico is specifically made to try to prevent immigrants from comming. You're comparing apples and oranges.


About Trump's racism:



Give me a counter example to that, I'll love to read it.



You can find 8 other outrageous things he said about latinos in: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b

Yes, giving them free shit really helps them in the end. Making people dependent on government services is not helping them at all.

I have never visited Mises.org

@Team1984, what is the point of getting a job when the government pays you? We both agree (hopefully) that having a real job is better than the government paying you, so why don't they get real jobs? Because the government isn't investing in job making when it is investing in paying people who don't work and who won't work unless forced.

I'll have to re-watch that part of his speech. I do not believe that quote one bit.

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