Jinxed is 101st/Outlaws better 1v1 players, I think he would have had a fairly competitive chance at winning each game. Obviously it's hard to say how many and against who but not many expected Metatron to go 6-0 in Guiroma and I too say Jinxed is simply not good is a under-statement IMO.

It doesn't really matter, The fact is he got booted and we will likely never know how he would've done against these players in this tournament environment. So to say he would've gotten 3-4 wins is hard to say as much as he would've gotten 10-12 wins!

Boots are damage and this is damage to 101st/Outlaws promotion/tittle hopes most definitely!

Though I expect us to come-back stronger than ever through our team games currently undefeated (4-0) where I feel it will be (5-0) soon enough =)

We're down but not out!

Difinitely not ! I would go so far to say u have a better line up than us. So im a bit surprised to see u so far away from top spot. Ill expect u fight for 2nd place to the bitter end.

Edited 7/24/2016 06:35:04

I was seeing ONE! has the top dog of division B at the start of CL8 in division B for 1v1s but I did not knew how well or bad you guys would do in team games. I thought 2nd place to 5th place would have been a thigh battle between VIW, 101st, Blizt and SNinja... Well, let's see what happen next in this division. It is quite interesting so far!

Edited 7/24/2016 06:44:11

On a 101st/Outlaws vs ONE! comparison, It's clear you guys have the better 1v1 line-up than us as your clan consists of excellent 1v1 players proven to be great ladders players consistently. on 1v1s ONE! are 20-9 with 7 games left to go while 101st/Outlaws are 13-18 with 5 more games to go. So currently there is a 21 point gap with potential to go up to 42! Though just for a curious read, 101st/Outlaws would be 12-8 with 16 games left to play if Jinxed stats was removed entirely of our 1v1 line-up. So, We were expecting to always fall a drift of your clans awesome 1v1 firepower though not by 21 - 42 points!


Though on the team games, I believe 101st/Outlaws will be making up a lot of ground in! On the 2v2s 101st/Outlaws is (1-0) which is alright, While ONE! is (4-1) there team wins have been against much weaker teams, The ground will be truly made up in crucial head-to-head match-ups where in China your team lost to Blitz which is a important clash =) I think 101st/Outlaws would be better on the team games and it is a question of can ONE! do enough on the team games to hold on to their 1v1 cushioned lead ;)

On the 3v3s, Your clan are finding it problematic I feel going (0-3) and I think our EU team has nearly won our game vs ONE! so possibly (0-4) with a crucial match-up our way.

So, I believe ONE! are much better on the 1v1s than 101st/Outlaws but I think 101st/Outlaws are more better on the team-games and it's a question of which aspect will make up more ground than the other which will determine which clan will finish ahead of each other, Though the 21 point lead that Jinxed boots has allowed to happen is plenty of room to allow a mistake or two which makes me worry!

Edited 7/24/2016 10:25:38

TLW got denied a make-up game in Division D (ChrisCMU told me there's a blanket "no makeup games" rule this season)- and that wasn't so bad for us, just 3 points. But 101st got hit so much harder and for that reason, if they wish to challenge the blanket ban on makeup games, I'd happily back their appeal on TLW's behalf. Same for other clans that were severely affected by boots- CORP (Div. C), for example. Contact me via PM if that happens.

I think that would be entering a grey area, sure it's a sumstancial amount of games but people seem to forget that they also got at least two boot wins against MoOoO from VIW with out checking all games so it goes both ways.
U can't just make rematches above a certain amount that wouldn't be fair for the who are below that amount. And who will set the amount ? Above 5 boots? And are we to make rematches for all boots we could just as well make a new CL, we are not talking a few games but a lot it seems.
CL is a team game and the isnt better than the weakest link(boots included).
U wouldn't get a rematch en real life either if something similar was to happen.
Some even got booted when there where behind on income and/or positional disadvantage are those boot games also due to a rematch? Whould be to much of grey are.
I agree with descision to no rematches. Would be big a mess otherwise.

Edited 7/24/2016 11:13:47

5) Makeups - No makeup games AT ALL. No points if both sides booted. Players will be given a small boot bank to allow for a mistake.

No rematches pls. This will drag out CL alot. It has also been stated in the rules before.

6) Retirements - Someone can take over an account for a retired player if it is declared and they violate no other CL rules in the process (RR limit, 2 clans, etc). A player can also be replaced entirely in a tournament due to retirement (if you have no access to their account), but only in games not started yet.

This could apply to Jinxed though. Not sure if there are any games left.

"Games Not Started Yet" = Boot on Picks

The rules are not very clear but Jinxed is technically eligible for replacement games, but only games after 101st reported his "retirement." That is my understanding.

"but not many expected Metatron to go 6-0 in Guiroma "

To be exact no one expected it except me of-course :P

That just shows how much everyone around here sucks at predictions. :P

Edited 7/24/2016 15:57:20

@Tony, that is my understanding too

Not my understanding, but I dont mind rematches.

In my opinion a retirement declaration must be before the boots, but there is a comitte and they will decide. They will post it soon and I will do an update about it and the games that have finished those days (I didn't want to do more updates till this was finished).

^

Edited 7/24/2016 21:08:53

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/169082-clan-league-8-group-b-retirement

what if we got booted while beating our opponents 14-8 income by turn 2, and then 14-13 income on turn 3 but only this time along with devastating positional advantage?

^and since no one wants to deal with my situation, the point is I think we should leave bias out of these decisions entirely and go along with some distinquishable-by-fact black and white guidelines

There will be no make-up games for boots. That is what was decided by the folks before me and I'm going to respect that.

Well i do see that the reporting date matters in the games to be redone.

I think that if a player is deemed to be retired, all the games he was booted in because he retired should be redone.

The lack of 101st to report it in time should not effect the other teams.

The way the rules are it seems that not only 101st will be punished but even the clans that are going to have a rematch.

I think it is only fair that it is established which games he was booted from when he retired and do a rematch of those.

The date of reporting is only relevant to accept the excuse of retirement.

Once the administration accepts it, it should have no value on the games that will be a rematch.

The way it is now some clans will have free points for games they have not played while other will have a rematch.

I do not care what other before you have decided about this issue, it is unfair that the negligence of 101st should result in having other clans be punished too.

Edited 7/26/2016 04:08:55

I don't see how that is negligence on our part. As soon as Jinxed told us he wouldn't be coming back, we reported it to the council. Every new game from that date will be replayed I think(I didn't check the precise date these game were made, but that's my understanding of it). It's pretty difficult to declare a player retired without the consent of said player, as if he suddenly returns, he's no longer retired, and thus capable of playing his games again.

Jinxed is part of your clan, his negligence in joining a league and not participate in it falls under the clans responsibility.

If I suddenly retire, it's VIW responsibility because I am part of VIW, I represent VIW during these games.
My actions during this league, including my retirement represent VIW actions.

If I neglect to play a game I willingly joined for any reason and not inform my clan mates in time for the games to start, it is my negligence but also the clan I represent.

I do not mean it was 101st fault but the responsibility is theirs for the good and the bad deeds of their members.

Edited 7/26/2016 17:46:23