This whole argumentation is going nowhere. 101st have followed the rules of CL8 by reporting ON TIME that Jinxed had retired. So there will most likely be replacement games. Like it or not, it is clearly stated in the Clan League rules that this can happen. 101st/Outlaws took their responsabilities by reporting that Jinxed had retired and I think that they will only re-do the games that happened after the retirement notification. If people of other clans don't report retirements on time it isn't our problem, we did what we had to do.

If there were games that started before it was reported, you cannot call it reported on time.

It is called reported it late.

Now if it was Jinxed fault for informing 101st late or 101st that did the retirement notification on the forum late, it is irrelevant, 101st is responsible for it in either case.

In the first case 101st is responsible for putting a player that represents them in clan league, if the player does good, 101st they are responsible(thus gets the credit), if he does bad(eg: gets booted for any reason) they are responsible too.

I don't know why you are jumping on the defense here, I am the one trying to show that if someone is reported as retired and is accepted by the administration, then all his booted games should be redone not just the ones after the notification.

I doubt it will help your clan in this clan war, but it could help others that happen to have the same issues in another future clan wars, you might suffer from the same problem yourselves again next season.

Edited 7/26/2016 18:41:25

How do you explain managers of Clan League are thinking about giving replacement games to 101st then? Like only giving the post-retirement games but not thoses before. I think that rule is legit. I am on the defense because you are saying 101st did not take responsability in this and it is not true at all.

Edited 7/26/2016 19:44:37

Metatron, I'm the first one who dislike this situation (I'm one of the damnifieds here), now I have to play a game and win to recover points (and the tounament win) while the other main contenders had 2 free victories (in B.Islands there were boots from MoOoOoOoO too). The games were created before the notification, but the boots were after. The CL commite decided those games had to be redone and that's all. Unfair? Yes. We can try to improve it for the future? Yes. But for now let's stop here the discussion about this issue. If you don't want at least use the other thread, no need to have the discussion in two places.

Edited 7/26/2016 22:42:36

The thing is, we're following the rule here. And remaking all the games including the ones before the retirement puts in place a precedent that is equally problematic; if one player misses 2 games picking, someone can just claim he retired and change him for the next games to replay these games or whatever just use an excuse to play these games back.

As per CL rules there is a clause concerning players considered "retired" and the possibility of allotting replacement games for them. As clans competing in CL, it is understood that we follow the rules which is why I support the idea of having those 7 games remade.


That being said, I would like to make the case that next season there should be no remade games whatsoever, even in instances like this. That would clear up a lot of issues in terms of what situations merit replacement games (hopefully zero) and stop occurrences like this from happening ever again. It is too late to stop this now, but there should be no excuses for behavior like this in the future, and I fully agree it should be the clan's problem, and not Clan League as a whole, that has to deal with it.

Edited 7/26/2016 23:11:25

Hmmm no replacements are also not great either. Players giving their accs codes to avoid retirement booting, and since you can always pull a "I didnt know it was against the rules" and have no consequences whatsoever, I believe it will be a normal thing.

Update:
Some games will be redone so:
+21 max points and -7 loses to 101
-6 points and -2 wins to Stahl
-3 points and -1 win to the ONE, VIW, Sninja, REGL
Linberson win was not added yet so Blitz has no changes.

New finished games:
ME:
dagorin (REGL) defeated grizzlis (ONE)
grizzlis (ONE) defeated kram (Stahl)

Guiroma:
PJ017 (ONE) defeated almosttricky (Sninja)
metatron (VIW) defeated berserk (REGL)
linberson (Blitz) defeated almosttricky (Sninja)
linberson (Blitz) defeated berserk (REGL)

Greece:
Kknd (blitz) defeated elbee (REGL)

French:
PJ017 (ONE) defeated Kevin (stahl)
PJ017 (ONE) defeated tac(ky)tical (101)
PJ017 won the tournament with 6-0!

T.Map:
markus (101) defeated tulan (Sninja)
awesomeusername (Blitz) defeated MoOoOoOoO (VIW)

China:
One defeated stahl

ME 2vs2:
VIW defeated Sninja

Europe:
Sninja defeated REGL
VIW defeated stahl


Classification (by points):

   Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º ONE       97        191        30      14        68.18%
2º VIW       81        192        25      14        64.10%
3º Blitz     75        201        22      12        64.71%
4º 101       61        204        18      12        60.00%
5º REGL      48        156        15      25        37.50%
6º SNinja    42        169        12      23        34.29%
7º Stahl     29        137         9      30        23.08%

Edited 7/27/2016 13:26:35

I believe you made a typo, writing VIW instead of 101st at the start of your last post Memele.

@LeQuébécois_Benoit

"I am on the defense because you are saying 101st did not take responsibility in this and it is not true at all. "
Where did i say that they did not take responsibility?
I just state that is is their responsibility and as far as I know some mistook what I said as if I said it is their fault.

As far as I know 101st took responsibility by accepting the decisions of the administration for choosing a member that represents them and then he retired without prior notice.(negligence)

I just pointed out how some rules are too generic and can hinder the fairness of the league they way they are.

I used 101st as an prime example of how the rules were unfair in this situation.

This is the lost time i mention this topic here.

Reply to me in the other topic please.

Finally drama in group B! ;)

6) Retirements - Someone can take over an account for a retired player if it is declared and they violate no other CL rules in the process (RR limit, 2 clans, etc). A player can also be replaced entirely in a tournament due to retirement (if you have no access to their account), but only in games not started yet.

As I said before I dont agree on "Games Not Started Yet" = Boot on Picks
In my understanding a game is started as soon as it is created, by making picks you participate in the game. So if 1 player already participates, invests time to pick it should not be counted as not started yet in my opinion.

Requirements for replacement games as I see them:

retirement
notification
only unplayed games get replaced

edit:
Also I quite sympathize with 101st here, only thing I dont like is that the notification went only to CL management, it would have been only polite to notify the opponents that Jinxed is gone and there is no need to pick seriuosly.

Edited 7/27/2016 11:52:27

@ linberson. Please see Motd's post at 03:30:13 on the following thread:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/169082-clan-league-8-group-b-retirement?Offset=20

He specifically states only games not past pick stage will be replayed.

Edited 7/27/2016 11:59:07

Just checked to see what the impact would've been if the CL panel went with linberson's interpretation rather than the one they went with- under linberson's interpretation, 101st would only get 3 games remade, not 7.

Games Started before 7/16 4:14p (time zone doesn't matter here)

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11577648

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11578327

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11577639

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11577644

Games Started after 7/16 4:14p

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11593064

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11593060

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11612188

@Markus Yes, it was a mistake, too much names and thinks to change :P Thanks for telling, I already changed it.

@linberson You are not the only one that thinks that, I myself said in the representatives panel that for my was the same a boot in picks and turn 1, but the commite is the one to decide, not us.

@Theriverstyxie I think that you didn't understood linberson. Linberson's interpretation is "a game created = a game started", MotD (or commite) interpretation's is "game started = game that advanced to turn 1".

But we better discuss it in the other thread, it's confusing going two ways in a discussion.

Update:

French:
awesomeguy (VIW) defeated wakanarai (blitz)
rakleader (Sninja) defeated wakanarai (blitz)
rakleader (Sninja) defeated elbee (REGL)
tac(ky)tical (101) defeated elbee (REGL)

T.Map:
awesome (blitz) defeated mushimushi (Stahl)
tulan (Sninja) defeated MoOoOoOoO (VIW)

China:
ONE defeated 101

EU:
Sninja defeated VIW

Classification (by points):

   Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º ONE      101        191        31      14        68.89%
2º VIW       84        184        26      16        61.90%
3º Blitz     78        195        23      14        62.16%
4º 101       64        200        19      13        59.38%
5º SNinja    56        169        16      23        41.03%
6º REGL      48        150        15      27        35.71%
7º Stahl     29        134         9      31        22.50%

Very good update for Sninja

Awesome update!

101st is doing as we hoped for so far, Though for us to push for that promotion spot we need more points on the board to let the pressure off us trying to catch up although the positive side is we have the highest max point total so maybe we're just slow nubs :p

ONE! owning 1v1 + 2v2 , If they win key match-ups in 2v2 they will get promoted. Pressure is on the contenders below them to try and catch-up. If they win 2v2 tournaments, They are simply promoted. Which leaves a dog-fight for 2nd between us and Blitz!

Exciting and tense, All that clan league is about baby! :D

Edited 7/31/2016 00:47:11

Update:
ME:
Almosttricky (Sninja) defeated Giantfrog (Blitz)
Tournament ends:
Giantfrog (5-1) wins the tournament!
AWOL gls (VIW) second with 4-2
Grizzlis (ONE), Kram (stahl) and almosttricky (Sninja) 3-3
Platinum (101) 2-4
Dagorin (REGL) 1-5

Greece:
kknd (blitz) defeated serjtz (stahl)
awesomeguy (VIW) defeated serjtz (stahl)
Tournament ends:
Awesomeguy wins with a perfect score 6-0
Paniagotis (101) and Mifran (ONE) follow with 4-2
KKND (blitz) and elbee (REGL) 3-3
Serjz (Stahl) 1-5
Kirby (Sninja) 0-6

French:
rakleader (Sninja) defeated kevin (Stahl)
Tournament ends:
PJ017 (ONE) wins wit a perfect! 6-0
Awesomeguy (VIW) was near with 5-1
rakleader (sninja) 4-2
tac(ky)tical (101) 3-3
Elbee (REGL) 2-4
wakanarai (blitz) 1-5
Kevin (stahl) 0-6

T.Map:
Awesome (Blitz) defeated markus (101)


F.Earth:
Stahl defeated REGL
Sninja defeated VIW

China:
VIW defeated blitz

G.lakes:
Sninja defeated REGL

classification by points:

  Clan    points   Max points    Wins   Losses   Winrate
1º ONE      101        191        31      14        68.89%
2º VIW       91        180        28      17        62.22%
3º Blitz     84        188        25      16        60.98%
4º SNinja    71        169        20      23        46.51%
5º 101       64        197        19      14        57.58%
6º REGL      48        141        15      29        34.09%
7º Stahl     33        125        10      34        22.73%

Sninja keeps with the good updates (and us bads >.<)

Edited 8/3/2016 21:02:08

Awesome update!

101st is doing as we hoped for so far, Though for us to push for that promotion spot we need more points on the board to let the pressure off us trying to catch up although the positive side is we have the highest max point total so maybe we're just slow nubs :p

ONE! owning 1v1 + 2v2 , If they win key match-ups in 2v2 they will get promoted. Pressure is on the contenders below them to try and catch-up. If they win 2v2 tournaments, They are simply promoted. Which leaves a dog-fight for 2nd between us and Blitz!

Exciting and tense, All that clan league is about baby! :D

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...and then the next update gets posted ;)

VIW are having a delayed collapse I'm telling you! :p

U are closer to relegation than promotion xD