I see it sort of like an overview. Of course the list isn't perfect and there will be some mistakes, but it's an overall good list that evokes productive conversation ( just as long as no one gets upset that their clan isn't ranked higher.)

Very nice list Edge. Very good job! Im going to give some comments, but they are more about my personal experience rather than real mistakes in the list.

they still have 2 elite players in Buns and USA Biches

I dont think Biches is on the same level as Buns. I'd rate Buns a 10 and Biches a 8 or 9. Even though Biches is a very good player, Buns is clearly on a completely different level.

Beren, who i have rated close to elite

Personally I wouldve rated Beren as an elite player :O

With malakkan One has an uprising player lately

IMO Malakkan is no longer an uprising player. He's been on a good level for a while now. Although I know you take the lenght of ones succes into account, I think its safe to say that malakkan is not really below PJ or Holdway anymore.

Currently Math Wolf and Jackie Treehorn are the two best players in the clan.

I know you didnt count Yeon since you counted him as inactive. But he is still around and IMO by far the best player of Stats. Its kind of hard whether or not to take him into account. But I think it wouldnt hurt to do so.

The best players of Apprentice currently seem to be Min34 and Gulius Jäsar.

Not certain I would put myself at the top of Apprentice. Scrooge is already at a high level and Phucilli has recently come back and has some serious skill as well.

ACL Tears is in my opinion close to elite

Kzry and ACL are on the same level imo. But they are rated differently :O

rakleader. I rated him close to elite

IMO Rakleader is elite.

9. [Blitz] (7.4)

Blitz don't play a good season of Clan League. Their performance is lacking in Divison A and so they will very likely relegate to B again. Their best player is Giantfrog who seems to be inactive, but i heard he's still playing sometimes on an alt (no, not in TJC). I'm not sure if that's true, but i decided to include him here as an elite player. (without him the rating would drop to a 7.0) Another reason is, that also a player like KKND doesn't play with them in Clan League, so there u have 2 of the currently 3 best players of Blitz missing. The loss of Wini hurts them, but the addition of Chris and also Xenophon were good for the future of the clan.

This is the rating I have the most problems with. IMO it is silly to count GiantFrog as active (especially when counting Yeon f.e. as inactive. Chris is no longer in the clan. I think you overrated this clan quite a bit tbh.

Edited 5/26/2017 19:46:32

Great job Edge!

I have never heard something about an internal MH skill ranking :P
I think Edge has a pretty good feeling about how to rate players because he's very active. For example I have 19 common games with him from 4 different ladders. Of course, you could argue if CL performance is more important than ladder performance and stuff like this, but I think all in all Edges ratings are pretty accurate.

It would be nice to have many different collaborators voting on this and make some sort of an aggregated score. The value of the score would hence be increased. It would also be nice asking the ratings of some guys Like EmuPub or me or guys like that that play a lot with less known guys in open real-time games that are probably better than most people think. Just don't ask Pichu (aka Scarlett), she is likely to give excellent grades to everyone hahaha ;)

Edited 5/26/2017 19:53:13

Wow ... nice work Edge !

@ Min

Biches did so well on so much different kinds of competitions. Personally i felt i need to include him as an elite player. But the players are so close, that it's always debateable and i do see why some say Biches shouldn't be there. For Beren, it were the 1vs1/MDL performances which holded him back for me. He's undoubteable one of the best when we're talking about team games.

I had malakkan as a very good player. I'm pretty sure on that, so on one level as PJ. I had Holdway as close to elite, maybe also debatable. PJ is doing really good on CL, maybe switching them would be better.

Krzy and ACL i think i might have put Krzy to high. I heard that a lot now. Others say Widzisz is to low, so at least it would negate itself here for the clan rating.

Rakleader was a tough one. I think there will be different opinions of players to put him from the elite category to the very good one.

To the other things. I put Yeon as inactive. I would have done the same with Giantfrog if i wouldn't have heard, that he plays on an alt from time to time (i don't know if that's true), so i decided to put him in. I didn't knew Chris left Blitz when i posted it. So yeah that would change things again.

Basically my ratings go back to last weekend, where i watched through every clan. During the week i finalized it, didn't look over everything again, just some small things and took clan changes into account.

This is a an exceptionally solid ranking. Had to cost you a lot of time. I'm amazed.

People may disagree with you on some parts because personal opinions on players vary a lot, but from what I've seen the only suggestions are to move a bunch of players 1 rating up or down, not more, so that indicates that you nailed the ratings pretty damn good.

It is why ratings would be way more accurate if let's say 1 person per clan would do the ratings and we would come up with an aggregated score.

But it's not gonna happen as hardly anyone would be willing to put such an effort in it. That's the reason why Edge deserves an applause.

Yep

Comparing this to Benjamin628 Rankings done on 12/26/2015 ( https://www.warlight.net/Forum/126827-benjamin628s-clan-rankings?Offset=0 ) We find:

1. Masters (steady)
2. Lynx (+5)
3. GG (steady)
4. Outlaws (not ranked)
5. Turtles (+3)
6. One! (+6)
7. French (-1)
8. M'Hunters (+8)
9. Blitz (+1)
10. VS (-1)
11. WG (-6)
12. Hydra (not ranked)
13. 7th (not ranked)
14. Stats (not ranked)
15. FCC (not ranked)
16. 101st (not ranked)
17. Vikinger (not ranked)
18. Apprentice (not ranked)
19. CORP (steady)
20. ACME (not ranked)

Apex went from 2nd to Not Ranked
[20] Went from 4th to Not Ranked
AHoL went from 11th to Not Ranked
Warlighters went from 13th to Not Ranked
Viw went from 14th to 26th (-12)
Illumninati went from 15th to Not Ranked
Stahlgewittern went from 17th to Not Ranked
AWF went from 18th to Not Ranked
Yin Yang went from 20th to Not Ranked

Excepting VIW, who went from 14th to 26th, all clans below 20 were not ranked beforehand.

Currently Math Wolf and Jackie Treehorn are the two best players in the clan.

I know you didnt count Yeon since you counted him as inactive. But he is still around and IMO by far the best player of Stats. Its kind of hard whether or not to take him into account. But I think it wouldnt hurt to do so.

It is debatable whether Yeon is still around.
It's not debatable that he is by far the best player of Stats.

On a general note: it may be better to weigh ratings for activity. Someone who is very good and plays only a game or 2 may be equally valuable to a clan and their image (and CL results) as someone who is clearly above average, but not close to elite, yet playing a lot.

But, in general: really good job on these rankings! It would be interesting to have other players follow the same (or a slightly adapted) methodology and average over the different "judges" as there will always be some judgement calls.

I came here to defend my clan.

Edited 5/27/2017 01:06:31

Illumninati went from 15th to Not Ranked
AWF went from 18th to Not Ranked

Not really... they both are continued by HYDRA which placed as high as 12th.

@Onoma94 I was not sure how to put that in xD.

I came here to defend my clan.

And now you left it? *scratches head*

Great work Edge! Thanks for using ur time to do it, couldnt have been easy! Much appreciated.
Only thing i would change, i would have made 11 points just for mod and buns! :)

Maybe less players into 10 and therefor more into 9. The way it is now, there were 13 players elite and 10 close to elite. If i ever do it again i probably try to get more opinions on especially these 2 categories. I got some other opinions, all a little bit different to each other, with different players. So that shows me how hard it actually is to agree on those kind of players.

Edited 5/27/2017 10:09:27

concerning my clan I simply say:
his given rankings are not matching reality.

(within the clan)

Edited 5/27/2017 15:26:29

28th is pretty decent. I dont think you should be much lower