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AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-15 08:25:24

kicorse 
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I like your proposal for the Finals Ekstone.

Only difference is that Version 3 may lead to too many misunderstandings. Version 1 would be my choice.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-15 08:40:31

Rento 
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Sorry but I don't understand version 3 at all :P It's too complicated.
The template pool in version 1 is diverse enough, I'd go with that one.
Btw I'm pretty sure that in pick/ban systems it's advantageous to go last, not first.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-16 04:36:54


Ekstone 
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Hello there! I was wondering if you could invite me to AWP?

Hi, I added you to my invitation list, GL&HF!

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About the template pool building phase:


Maybe the initial template pool could be collectively voted on?

What does "collectively" mean? Version 2, where the 8 participants voted on? Or do you mean the whole Tour community? :O

Sorry but I don't understand version 3 at all :P It's too complicated.

Or my English is not enough good to describe it well :(

Version 3 may lead to too many misunderstandings

I am sure, if you would see it in practice you would understand and like it ;)

Version 1 would be my choice.

The template pool in version 1 is diverse enough, I'd go with that one.

Ok, I see.
Although, I am thinking about a mixed version. I mean, that the two semifinals and the Finals would be version 3 (that means only 3 fights, and I really would like to show you how the version 3 runs in practice) the rest would be version 1 (so we will be able to see both versions in practice)

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About the ban/pick/random template choosing phase:


Pick/Ban looks the most fun.

I think P/B would be cool too

Btw I'm pretty sure that in pick/ban systems it's advantageous to go last, not first.

Guys, help me that when you wrote "Pick/Ban" (or "P/B") you only refer to template choosing system generally or you want to say that picking steps before any bans would be better?

@Rento: why do you think that it's advantageous to go last?
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-16 05:49:20

FiveStarGeneral
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I meant the 8 players involved when I said collectively. Meant the Picks/Bans choosing system in general would be interesting to try.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-16 08:05:04

Rento 
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By pick/ban I mean when there's already an initial pool of templates and players take turns picking/banning them.

It's advantageous to go last because it lets you react to opponent moves and you have less chance of wasting your own moves.
Example: both players love MME. Player A picks MME. Player B can now pick his 2nd favourite template. It's a clear advantage if you know what I mean.

The advantage gets bigger as template pool is smaller. In extreme scenario, when 2 players pick 1 template each from a pool of 3, the first player to make a choice has (statistically) a 1-in-3 chance to waste his move by picking the same template his opponent would pick. The second player who makes the final pick out of 2 templates remaining has no chance to waste his move anymore.

All I said applies to map/template picking, where you FORCE opponent to play the settings you like. It doesn't apply to something like LoL character picking, where you pretty much STEAL the character from your opponent. Just to be clear.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-16 22:10:33


Viking1007
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THANKS
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-16 22:11:28


Syphen 
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Can you keep inviting me to these?
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-17 03:48:47


Ekstone 
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@Viking1007
You are welcome!

@{101st} Syphen
Yes, you are in my friend list (=invitation list), you will be invited on Wednesdays until unsubscribe.

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@FSG, Rento
Thank you for clarifying, so you meant Picks/Bans choosing system in general, and not refer to the step order.

It's advantageous to go last because it lets you react to opponent moves and you have less chance of wasting your own moves.
Example: both players love MME. Player A picks MME. Player B can now pick his 2nd favourite template. It's a clear advantage if you know what I mean.

Interesting, but you are right. I mean interesting, because I remember that I read that the first step is better and belong to the higher seeded team in CS:GO. Maybe I read this when not simple 2bans 2picks 2bans was implemented but other step order where really better the first step, I dunno. Because the combination of the steps are endless, only depends on us which one will be used.

The advantage gets bigger as template pool is smaller. In extreme scenario, when 2 players pick 1 template each from a pool of 3, the first player to make a choice has (statistically) a 1-in-3 chance to waste his move by picking the same template his opponent would pick. The second player who makes the final pick out of 2 templates remaining has no chance to waste his move anymore.

Although this is not true imo. I mean here no wasted picks, because the remained template will be used for the decider game (in case of 1-1). Or if you have best of one (bo1) format, then after two bans the remained template will be played. But your previous paragraph is still true (in case of 2bans 2picks 2bans, etc. combination). And your last paragraph is true as well, the situation is very different when you stealing and not forcing things.

Ok, the simplest solution is that the higher seeded player will decide if he wants to be first or second ;)
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-18 03:47:25


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As I promised, I created fixed schedule for 2019 Clay (weird) season:

AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-18 10:33:52


Ƨillynamenace
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I updated the Future events part with this too:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/262655-awp-world-tour-magazine?Offset=4

I updated the google docs as well (until the WR part)


Thank you!
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-18 12:40:04


Viking1007
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It is Thursday. Why haven't I been invited?
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-19 04:02:50


Ekstone 
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@Ƨillynamenace
You are welcome!

@Viking1007
As you recognized in your mail, you have been invited, only this Fast Earth template seems very popular and filled in 2 hours :O
I replied to your mail.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-19 12:57:09


Viking1007
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Thanks
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-29 15:15:45

talia_fr0st
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@FSG, Rento

You need to pay attention to which templates your opponent is good at. Back when the CORP ladder was around, I beat muddleszoom by reading into his quad-pick Partha on Rise of Rome, not the same situation but you can see what I mean.

EDIT:

You can also anti-strategise by looking at your opponents' games on one of their preferred templates, then deliberately leave it open and force your opponent to decide between one of your preferred templates and the one you anti-stratted.

Edited 4/29/2019 15:30:24
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-04-30 03:17:38

FiveStarGeneral
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Yes indeed, thanks. Although I will probably just ban annoying templates that I don't want to play ;]
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-05-01 04:17:49


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I will open a separated topic for Tour Final brainstorming to clarify the details.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-05-01 04:33:37


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Two finished events in April, congrats time!

130. AWP World Tour - 250 Series - Unicorn Island
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=28049
Congratulations to Turkish for his first Tour event win!

Here are the TOP16:



132. AWP World Tour - 250 Series - Sri Lanka
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=28282
Congratulations to Turkish for his second Tour event win!
Turkish won all finished events in April, what a debut bro! ;)
And he defeated big names (Buns and Kicorse) in the Finals!
Impressive!

Here are the TOP16:



Edited 5/2/2019 03:46:09
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-05-02 04:14:24


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Monthly Tour Update - 04/2019
The tables below are based on the status of the 1st of May 2019.

AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-05-02 23:49:06


Viking1007
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And I will be invited to all the tournaments? Like Grand Slams?
AWP World Tour Magazine: 2019-05-02 23:49:58


Viking1007
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And the Masters 1000 and 500 series?
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