strategic gameplay has- at least in terms of tactics- evolved significantly between 2012 and today

right and and if you had decided in 2012 that you knew everything about warlight strategy and stopped improving, that evolution would have passed you by.

like delays is a big one. people got really good at doing that, you even seen average players using delay tactics that experts didn't use five years ago.

Just because you didn't know about delays 5 years ago doesn't mean others didn't know also. In 5 years you will find out about conditional delays as well probably and claim it's a totally new thing

Congrats Wally. Any respect you lost from me (from the last game we played together where you threw a temper tantrum) has now been regained due to you utterly demolishing everyone on this thread.

"you even seen average players using delay tactics that experts didn't use five years ago. "

Yeah, no. Average player today isn't doing anything I didn't do 5 years ago and I wasn't a top" player then, nor am I one now.

Actually, I take that back, they are. They're picking bad and playing bad.

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who are the top 5 players who actually play now?

Top 5 is too difficult for me, so I came up with top 10 (not in any particular order):

MoD, MotD, Timinator, Master QB, Pardon, Buns, Darkpie, Timon, Rento, Malakkan.

Players like Kicorse, Edge, Krzysztof, rakeleader, Awesomeguy, Beren, Xenophon, Master Shinra, Krunx, Bbraw, Octane, AI, Super Smoove, Nox, Mifran and many others , are performing well in ladders, AWP, CL and community events , but the first ten players I chose are like my favorites.

Edited 2/25/2018 23:48:55

Just because you didn't know about delays 5 years ago

Maybe try reading what I said again and responding to my actual statements? Because I didn't say nobody knew about them 5 years ago.

5 years ago, against what was then one of the top players.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=3473181

he uses some delays but any reasonably good player today is using them far better.

Edited 2/25/2018 23:51:53

"No. See roughly 100% of the questions I've asked in the strategy forum. He always responds insulting me for asking questions. It's the same attitude master of desaster has. 'Good' players (all 2 of them), don't need to ask questions, they already know everything."

you are aware that you are then referring to something that is not in the tread like it was?.... you should try to remember that we do not have access to what you think, nor do most know that buns have hurt your fellings in other treads

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Wally balls i never interacted with you, so from a neutral perspective, from what I've seen, you've posted 90% troll posts. So people have this self-defence mechanism, like when they see wally balls, from past experiences, they're expecting a troll.

So you finally decide to be serious, and get better at the game. You get 1st on the ladder, congrats! But then you declare yourself the best player here, and act really smug, and you still troll, even when you created a serious thread.

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/294983-confused-pick

"What's Warzone?"

Once a troll, always a troll.

Buns didn't insult you imo. He was sarcastic. It's a natural reaction to someone like you. And, he also stated his opinion (that he thought the pick was a mistake)

Contrast here:

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=11425304

alhazi puts on a delay master class.

I remember when I first started getting into warlight seriously, if you wanted the 1v1 trophy, you'd have to go through Buns. That was 2016. He already had the 2v2 and RTL trophy, but since then he has gained the two, hardest trophies on this site. The Seasonal ladder trophy, and easily the hardest the MDL trophy. (He had to stay a rank above MotD, who is considered the greatest wz player right now by most, for 10 consecutive games.

If you want to prove that what buns hasn't done is impressive, get on the MDL and play against the best players in the game (If your lucky buns won't join just to block you)
But we all know you won't, because you'll only ever be good enough to get that 1v1 trophy off a pathetic run.

Buns didn't insult you imo. He was sarcastic

It's possible for it to be both. And he's clearly doing both.

It wasn't just that one time, he does that ~100% of the time I ask a question or show a lack of any knowledge.

His luck turn 2 is the primary reason you won that game.

I also think HHH vs alhazi is a very bad example.

mod, Hotbeachbum, and HHH are the three fastest playing players that have ever been rank 1 on the 1v1 ladder. They don't put the time and effort into most games that someone like alhazi does.

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you'll only ever be good enough to get that 1v1 trophy off a pathetic run.

lol

Pretty sure supergamerz as gotten ~2000 elo on a different account. Regardless though, he never said he would hit rank 1, and he doesn't need to be capable of doing so to have an opinion about your ability to do so on more than a run.

Though, calling it a pathetic run is a bit silly, since super couldn't hit rank 1 even on a run IMO.

His luck turn 2 is the primary reason you won that game.

that's how the game was played then, probably why the rules were changed so 3v2 is an automatic kill.

I also think HHH vs alhazi is a very bad example.

I'm not sure you understand the point I was trying to make. Which was just that delay tactics have evolved.

You can pick any random top 10 ladder player then vs now and you'll see it.

I've reached Top 10 on all ladders but the seasonal. I also play better players than you do on a regular basis.

Regardless why bring up my stats if all you are so ready to discard buns.

"I'm not sure you understand the point I was trying to make. Which was just that delay tactics have evolved. "

I don't think it has. You're comparing WR to SR. You don't delay as much in WR because you need more armies to expand because of losing 2 armies when taking a neutral 40% of the time, and 3v2s failing 20% of the time.

My two cents: the understanding of the strategy and tactics of playing high level Warlight has improved significantly over the past few years. However, many of these tactics that have become more well-known (such as conditional moves, exhaustive calculation of opponents' positions, etc.) are highly time-intensive, so in general most people don't bother with them.

And as Nauz said, comparing the tactics in 16% WR to tactics used in 0% SR is rather pointless. They're completely different games.

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