The fourth clan league is rapping up so it's time to decide on the next clan league.
General Idea: Clans face off in a Promotion Regulation style league involving head to head round robins in 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3
In Charge: I will be running this Clan League with help from Chris and Apollo.

Current Leagues
A League
WG
WM
Apex
AHoL *
VIW *
GG *
BIA *

B League
101st +
Masters +
Warlighters
REGL *
Dragon *
BR -

C1
[20] &
XS &
Gladiators
bajtan
G spot

C2
XCD &
French &
Blitz &
turtle
UN
Cavaliers

&=Chance of Promotion
+=Definite Promotion
*= Chance of Relegation
-=Definite Relegation
Regarding promotions from group C1+C2 to B, two teams from B will be dropped to one of each of the C leagues, however the top team in each C league will be promoted to B Along with 1 Wild card team drawn from the 2nd place teams in the C groups so a total of 3 teams will be promoted

Okay so now for next season. Chris has suggested and I concurred that this league should not just be a strategic maps. the new format of the league will be as follows
6 1v1s templates undecided 1 point
3 2v2s templates undecided 2 points
2 3v3s templates undecided 3 points

**This is not final, I am creating a game with current Clan A leaders and the Guaranteed to be promoted from group B to decide templates and take more suggestions, if you want to ask me questions personally Mail, skype or make a game with me and we can talk.**

More to come...

do i understand right, its 6 1v1s instead of 4, ect..? cool

What do you mean by "not only strategic maps"? This whole league was always meant to rank the clans by their strategic proficiency...

Sorry, all Maps will be strategic, Just not All Will be ME settings

Imp Rom and Heavy Earth please!

Edited 2/26/2014 00:10:06

Heavy Earth? Link? I don't want some huge map.

Hey, it's JSA, back for today! This is my account I use currently (although this is the first time I've logged in in 2 weeks). JSA is being controlled by someone else currently.

So the reason for my return is just some thoughts to keep in mind with the clan league.

1. I strongly advise against making it so clans have to have at least 6 decently active members to compete. 20 had trouble finding members for this season, and so it is very likely 20 and apex will not be able to compete with this format. Without two of the strongest clans, the league loses it's power.

2. The changing of templates is not a new idea. It was brought up this clan league. It was voted down. The clan league has thrived as a league that sticks with traditional settings and it seems silly to change it unless a majority of clans want that change. If they do, then I would still be careful how much you change, the clan league is very strong in tradition.

3. I disagree with leaving the C league split. That was a last second decision and was only because of the vast amount of clans in C league. Instead, I suggest putting the demoted clans from B in C along with the remaining best finishers in C to the point that 7 clans are in C. The remainder then go to D. At least consider this idea please.

On points 1 and 2, I am very worried about these potentially messing up the league, the clan league is very popular and all major clans compete in it, why change it unless a majority of clans agree with it?

Definitely read and consider what I wrote, maybe you disagree with my statements and the majority of clans might too, which is fine of course, I just advise exercising caution with any big changes.

Thanks for your time, I probably won't log in for a while, best of wishes to you guys.

1) apex had 6 players in it this year, not sure why this would put them in danger of dropping. all it does is allow people to play more games within the league. In most clans, people only get to play 1 format.

2) Miyagi said templates would be voted on, so not sure why this is an issue. And my proposal is we do Strat 1v1, Strat 1v1 (%0 luck), Strat 1v1 MME, along with Strat 2v2 and Europe 3v3. Plus the additions would be other main stream formats (like Guiroma).

If there is a lot of objection, we could do a compromise (say only do Four 1v1s, with the 3 I mentioned and Guiroma). I think Miyagi is going about it the right way and putting it up to a vote of the clan leaders. He has made a discussion game, they are voicing their opinions there.

Apex had 5, and has only 5 active members that will play for apex unless something changes.

Before voting on templates, vote to see if the majority want to see a change in the templates and the format. Like I said, the majority last season said no to a change in format and templates. If the majority is against changing the templates and format, it would be a big mistake to change it.

Sounds like miyagis getting the clan leaders involved though, I just wanted everyone to know the potential problems of these changes, change sounds great in theory, but often it proves to not be great in reality.

They also have the option of adding someone, which it appears they already did (Miyagi's name has apex in it now).

Miyagi will play for masters I presume.

If both 20 and apex can get 6 members, then it comes down to whether the clans actually want the change from 4 to 6 membes required. Also good to note is that this will require each player of a 6-player clan to play 3 tournaments which could deter some. If apex and 20 can't get 6, it seems stupid to change to a 6 team format...logging off for tonight, Chris, maybe add your thoughts on why the changes are good on here so the clan leaders can see both sides of the debate and decide which they prefer. I am only playing devils advocate because I want to see the clan league continue to prosper.

Well, the reason to increase it is that it makes all 3 player amounts (1s, 2s, 3s) worth the same total points. So that one does not outweigh the other.

Another reason is that many clans (say you have 8-10 who want to play) will be forced to bench players or have their best players play 1 maybe 2 formats with the current setup. It allows for more participation from a clan.

My proposal is that we limit each clan member to 4 templates, ignoring whether it is 1s, 2s, 3s. Since they are all weighted equally in the proposed format, it does not matter where the player is used. So if there are 18 player slots (11 formats), 5 players can cover all 18 spots with 2 to spare. That way a clan does not need 6 players.

Come on now, where's USW

I'm curious, was this set up before the clan drama? UN is filled with inactives now. Its a ghost clan. There's like 2-3 people that came back.

Both 20 and apex are willing and able to field 6 people if necessary, just don't want to if we don't have to.

I would prefer 3 groups of 8 over A B C D groups, cause then it would take way too long for new clans to work their way up the ranks. Also I wonder if some clans will participate next season. I assume we won't have final groups until we get confirmation at the end of this season.

Keeping the C groups split is a dumb idea, sorry Miyagi. Please refer to frank/chokecherry's promotion/relegation league to see how promotions and relegations work with multiple newbie groups.

I think a clan league format for larger clans where more players get to participate would be great. Maybe that can be a separate event. I know Gui was trying to get something like that going but it fizzled out pretty quickly.

i agree with jsa in most, except the 6 players thing. i think its good that you must have atleast 6 good 1v1 players to have a chance here.

also its silly that C is splitted. should be made a D with the bottom 3 in each C group.

i didnt read any of the above posts, make 4 groups, points system should remain the same (2 points 1v1s, 3 points 2v2, 4 points 3v3). 3v3 should remain as EU, 2v2s should be 1 Medium Earth and 1 EU or rome, and then maybe 2 1v1 medium earth and then 1v1 on EU or whatever map.

i think that SNinja might be interested... if it is open registration then i will ask my clan mates if they would like to participate.

Good point sky, I think USW would do pretty good in this :)