The Fifth Clan League: Too Much Information and Too Few Lineups.

Mind making a new thread with greater clarity, based on the conclusions of this one?

Too much information. Take ages to discuss. Let's make a Fifth Clan League ALPHA : Each clan send only one best guy to play in a 1v1 Round Robin tournament. :p just for fun. Which clan wanna join?

It seems I no longer have access to the clan league season 5 spreadsheet...

In any case I think maybe it's best to get a representative from each clan to vote - from all clans who played in season 4 who plan to play in season 5. Have them vote, first, on the format itself. There are good arguments for Miyagi's setup, it has much more variety and allows for larger clans to play more players who are interested, while smaller clans can simply play their players in more templates. But there are reasons to prefer the classic setup too. Maybe we can see what the clans decide?

There are other things that can also be voted on, like the templates, group sizes, etc. The discussion would be a lot easier if only clan reps are involved.

I thank Miyagi for bringing some good ideas to the table. Not all of them are well received by everyone. But I'm glad he's actually putting some effort into this thing. But yeah, the discussion is not organized very well, and a lot of players are getting frustrated as a result. So maybe the next major effort can be figuring out the best way to decide how Season V will go forward, so that everyone's input is considered, and the league admin is only moderately disliked. :P

Definite NO to all clans deciding on the league. There are to many clans which have to little understanding of Warlight mechanics to decide. Only former Group A plus top two B group clans should vote. Otherwise you prepare to be burned for making a joke out of this event.

I don't remember any spreadheet at all - link anybody?

as for groups how i see them either 3 or 4:

newA newB newC newD
A..1 A..6 B..6 C1.4
A..2 A..7 B..7 C1.5
A..3 B..3 C1.2 C2.4
A..4 B..4 C1.3 C2.5
A..5 C1.1 C2.2 C2.6
B..1 C2.1 C2.3 new
B..2 
 
or:

newA newB newC
A..1 B..3 B..7
A..2 B..4 C1.3
A..3 B..5 C1.4
A..4 B..6 C1.5
A..5 C1.1 C2.3
A..6 C1.2 C2.4
B..1 C2.1 C2.5
B..2 C2.2 C2.6 
with D for newcomers.. if there are any..

Edited 3/8/2014 10:17:43

Fridge thats what i had and you complained saying you wanted 4 groups!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak4DYsbOMnX1dGlZejV6bFpMZjlhVHVfQkJIN3o5SFE#gid=0
Spreadsheet for anyone who missed it

Edited 3/9/2014 23:37:42

Wrong one Miyagi.

101st and lynx will both provide teams, lynx will be the one that competes in group a while 101st will be treated as a new clan.

Wait, that's allowed? If 101st is allowed to do that, then other large clans like VIW should be able to have an "A" and "B" team as well. I can't speak for the rest of VIW right now but I would love to be able to submit a "top" team while giving other players a chance to play. Last season, even when playing 11 players, we still had to leave people out.

I disagree with that being allowed to be honest. Lynx is part of the 101st, as CS is part of REGL, and Prolighters is part of Warlighters. Unless the clan itself is split into 2 (which is obviously isn't) than a clan should not be allowed to submit multiple delegations into a single competition ( especially if team B gets into the same division as team A, in which case cheating is most definitely a possibility (not saying you would, but the opportunity should not be given).

Plz look carefully, we've actually split.

101st and Lnyx are no longer in the same clan. We will be close partners, and a player that succeeds in 101st will likely be transferred to Lynx, but we are not the same clan. Lynx is the 15 best out of 101st. If {CS} wants to pay for their own official clan and officially split from [REGL] they can be allowed to compete. If you ever payed for a {warlighters} clan and then also a {Prolighters} clan, I am sure you could participate with both.

What are the chances Lynx and 101st will end up in the same group? Lynx is all the better players that were in 101st, and if a player in 101st succeeds in some high level play, they will more than likely be offered a spot in Lynx. Lynx will more than likely stay Group A now, or at the least, fall to Group B. 101st will have a hard time getting to B. And there would be no cheating, because we are not the same clan. [P] does not equal [WG]. BIA does not equal CPU. You remember that Juggernaut/Warlighters Clan Agreement thing? It's similar to that, except one clan has the more talented half of the clan, while the other has the less talented half.

Part of the idea of splitting was to allow the lower level players to be able to participate in clan events rather than having the [Lynx] players always do everything in clan events.

XCD and BIA are both split off from CPU but both were allowed to play the clan league, BIA got Group A to start becuase they had over half the players that had played the previous clan league.

So is it unfair for 2 seperate clans to both be playing the clan league?

jsa, i cant see the problem i that, but then i guess its 101st that still is in group a, and lynx will be the new clan (since lynx IS the new clan).

Bananashake, that would be unfair to the players that played the last clan league. All players that played the last clan league were Lynx players. So therefore, Lynx should receive the higher spot, as has been done in the past.

The 101st alone would struggle to win a game, in group A. What is the point in that? All players that played are in Lynx, this happend last season as JSA said. It shouldn't be done differently.

Last time something different happened - one clan (CPU) which NO LONGER EXISTS has DIVIDED into TWO new clans - BiA and XCD. I am surprised anyway that they were not both automatically forced to start from bottom. Remember that when #Elite! changed into ReLite/GG, they were not grouped based on #e!'s performance on previous season but rather started from the bottom.

In my opinion - Sorry, guys, but Lynx should start from the bottom. If 101st decides to voluntarily relegate into lower group - i'm fine with that.. but Creating a new clan and getting a wildcard to higher tiers is not ok. You were playing as 101st. Not as Lynx. Similar thing with 20: it has players which played for apex or WM in group A.. but it doesn't matter. those players were fighting in the name of WM or apex. not for 20. You may say [20] did not exist.. but it did. It wasn't a clan, but the players were members of high tiers of [20] league.. So it definitely was a group of people recognizable by [20] tag (which was present in many players' taglines on the profiles).

Rules are rules.

Fridge, you must not understand the above examples at all. Relite asked to not be based on elites poor showing. I granted their wish. CPU was still around after bia and xcd split off. The majority of the players that had earned the spot were in bia, therefore, bia gets group a.

20 is a completely unrelated scenario and the fact that you said it shows you are really stretching to get lynx out of group a, if the majority of players from wm or apex had wanted to just play for 20, 20 could have started group a. Only 2 players from apex and wm were even in 20, so therefore, there is no way either would give up their spot for 20.

My point was different. Lynx is a new clan. Every new clan starts from bottom. Period. It's not a legacy of 101st, because they still exist. You were representing 101st, and well done, you lead them to group A. Now you may achieve the same with Lynx. NO SHORTCUTS.

I am one of the newly appointed clan leaders in 101st and I agree with JSA. Lynx players earned the spot in Group A. Why would they be kept out of that deserved spot when they have not cheated? They earned it, let them keep it. We will start at the bottom of the clan league and work our way up.

Fridge, Lynx is not a new clan, but the elite section of the 101st. Since all of the Clan Leagues the 101st participated in was made up predominantly of Lynx players it goes along Jay's choice of putting BIA in and relagating XCD. 20 is a clan made up predominantly of members who didn't belong to a clan before (3-4 who did, as opposed to 101st, all members of Lynx were in the clan league last season as 101st, except Sirius I think). 101st is starting from the bottom while Lynx is taking over the group A spot, how is this bothering you? :P

jsa, you realize that this is kinda the same as saying that if all members of WM joins blitz (or any other clan), blitz automatically starts in Group A, isn't it?

though i dont really care, just want right to be right.