101st and Lnyx are no longer in the same clan. We will be close partners, and a player that succeeds in 101st will likely be transferred to Lynx, but we are not the same clan. Lynx is the 15 best out of 101st. If {CS} wants to pay for their own official clan and officially split from [REGL] they can be allowed to compete. If you ever payed for a {warlighters} clan and then also a {Prolighters} clan, I am sure you could participate with both.

What are the chances Lynx and 101st will end up in the same group? Lynx is all the better players that were in 101st, and if a player in 101st succeeds in some high level play, they will more than likely be offered a spot in Lynx. Lynx will more than likely stay Group A now, or at the least, fall to Group B. 101st will have a hard time getting to B. And there would be no cheating, because we are not the same clan. [P] does not equal [WG]. BIA does not equal CPU. You remember that Juggernaut/Warlighters Clan Agreement thing? It's similar to that, except one clan has the more talented half of the clan, while the other has the less talented half.

Part of the idea of splitting was to allow the lower level players to be able to participate in clan events rather than having the [Lynx] players always do everything in clan events.

XCD and BIA are both split off from CPU but both were allowed to play the clan league, BIA got Group A to start becuase they had over half the players that had played the previous clan league.

So is it unfair for 2 seperate clans to both be playing the clan league?

jsa, i cant see the problem i that, but then i guess its 101st that still is in group a, and lynx will be the new clan (since lynx IS the new clan).

Bananashake, that would be unfair to the players that played the last clan league. All players that played the last clan league were Lynx players. So therefore, Lynx should receive the higher spot, as has been done in the past.

The 101st alone would struggle to win a game, in group A. What is the point in that? All players that played are in Lynx, this happend last season as JSA said. It shouldn't be done differently.

Last time something different happened - one clan (CPU) which NO LONGER EXISTS has DIVIDED into TWO new clans - BiA and XCD. I am surprised anyway that they were not both automatically forced to start from bottom. Remember that when #Elite! changed into ReLite/GG, they were not grouped based on #e!'s performance on previous season but rather started from the bottom.

In my opinion - Sorry, guys, but Lynx should start from the bottom. If 101st decides to voluntarily relegate into lower group - i'm fine with that.. but Creating a new clan and getting a wildcard to higher tiers is not ok. You were playing as 101st. Not as Lynx. Similar thing with 20: it has players which played for apex or WM in group A.. but it doesn't matter. those players were fighting in the name of WM or apex. not for 20. You may say [20] did not exist.. but it did. It wasn't a clan, but the players were members of high tiers of [20] league.. So it definitely was a group of people recognizable by [20] tag (which was present in many players' taglines on the profiles).

Rules are rules.

Fridge, you must not understand the above examples at all. Relite asked to not be based on elites poor showing. I granted their wish. CPU was still around after bia and xcd split off. The majority of the players that had earned the spot were in bia, therefore, bia gets group a.

20 is a completely unrelated scenario and the fact that you said it shows you are really stretching to get lynx out of group a, if the majority of players from wm or apex had wanted to just play for 20, 20 could have started group a. Only 2 players from apex and wm were even in 20, so therefore, there is no way either would give up their spot for 20.

My point was different. Lynx is a new clan. Every new clan starts from bottom. Period. It's not a legacy of 101st, because they still exist. You were representing 101st, and well done, you lead them to group A. Now you may achieve the same with Lynx. NO SHORTCUTS.

I am one of the newly appointed clan leaders in 101st and I agree with JSA. Lynx players earned the spot in Group A. Why would they be kept out of that deserved spot when they have not cheated? They earned it, let them keep it. We will start at the bottom of the clan league and work our way up.

Fridge, Lynx is not a new clan, but the elite section of the 101st. Since all of the Clan Leagues the 101st participated in was made up predominantly of Lynx players it goes along Jay's choice of putting BIA in and relagating XCD. 20 is a clan made up predominantly of members who didn't belong to a clan before (3-4 who did, as opposed to 101st, all members of Lynx were in the clan league last season as 101st, except Sirius I think). 101st is starting from the bottom while Lynx is taking over the group A spot, how is this bothering you? :P

jsa, you realize that this is kinda the same as saying that if all members of WM joins blitz (or any other clan), blitz automatically starts in Group A, isn't it?

though i dont really care, just want right to be right.

Hauptmann - make up your mind now, will you?? Lynx is either a new clan or the elite section of 101st. If it's a new clan, they start from bottom. If it's a section of 101st then 101st can only have ONE team in the league - which of course can be a mix of Lynx and 101st players, but they will REPRESENT 101st. If they decide to go by the name of Lynx in the league, they have to start from the bottom.

Bannashake not at all, all Lynx players are from the 101st. All Lynx players mostly represent the clan, all Lynx players got us to Group A.

Fridge - This is silly, why do the 101st have to suffer humiliation of defeat after defeat, why does Lynx have to suffer 1-2 seasons of easy competition.

Let me clarify, the Lynx was long established and has participated in the clan league as 101st, but it was a mix of 101st and Lynx players. Whether they change their name or not has nothing to do with it.

And now explain your reasoning as to why we have to start from the bottom because we changed our name. Same players, same lineup, new name, down to the bottom!

Not all the same... Unreality was in the 101st but competed. As the 101st very much exists, it should be in Group A, and Lynx start from the bottom. When WG took the best of P, it would have done the same; P retain their spot and WG go to the bottom group.

Lynx is a new clan; go to Group D.

Arun, false. Before the season was over he was in Lynx, actually before it started I think. Also, even if he was 101st, that's one of almost a dozen that participated, so your argument is weakly based. And, Lynx is still part of the 101st, it's just the elite section. A clan within a clan if you will.

i agree with Lynx. Why should they start from bottom and have boring fights against clans that aren't as good as they are? i hope i don't hurt anybodys feelings but 101st is without Lynx not good enough for Group A. Lynx is strong and deserves a place in Group A cause they won the last clan league in Group B!

Its not a good argument that "they deserve it" though.. :(

And its bullshit to say that they would have an easy way from d to a. I have beaten 7 out of 10 of the lynx'es. Played greentea only once and lost, played jsa only once and lost (long time ago), and have never played apollo (but i am ranked better in the ladder than him). And i have many players on my level and better than me in blitz. + there are many clans that could match our lvl of skill, and some even better skilled, between d and a, so its not even sure lynx will reach a in 3-4 seasons from now if they start on the bottom (though i know they would have a fair chance).

I really see your point JSA, Hauptman and Apollo, but im sorry to say that a rule is a rule.

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Its not a good argument that "they deserve it" though

Earned our way from the bottom to the top and now they wanna send us back to the bottom because we made the Lynx a separate official clan (which is still part of the 101st, mind you). Load of bollocks.

We're the same players as before.

Btw Bananashake, you've beaten a couple Lynx before, look at your best rating on the 1v1 vs Jay's, Greentea's, Grizzli's, Apollo's and mine (as well as a few others).

Lynx is a new clan. They should start at the bottom like all the other new clans. 101st should not be punished because a bunch of 101st members decided to split off. Riyamitie is good enough to be in Lynx but has decided to stay in 101st. Same with other top 101st members. That alone should tell you that Lynx is no longer 101st.

The whole point of a promotion/relegation league is that you have to prove yourself to get to the upper groups. Lets not deviate from that now please.

they won their spot in A, thus have 1 spot. I don't see the problem with letting Lynx play in that spot while 101st start as a new clan. why don't do as jsa suggested:

101st and lynx will both provide teams, lynx will be the one that competes in group a while 101st will be treated as a new clan.
+ this is also what 101st want to do.

also, a lot of ppl seem to have missed that cs no longer exists :p

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