Titron - on the other hand - from Russia's perspective - why shouldn't they? They have majority of population in Crimea, people want independence from Ukraine there, Russia's got strong army to threaten Ukraine, and it's a perfect moment because of Ukrainian internal issues, which leads to high likelyhood intimidation will be good enough way to claim and incorporate Crimea into russian borders..

Yeah.. Why not? But..

Which perspective is finally more important?

And this very question lies in the foundation of every single war this planet has ever seen..
Sometimes never asked, more often than not simply answered to late..

yeah i just wish there was something that could be done besides sanctions and war... intimidation maybe? i don't know but Russia should not be allowed to continue in there course of action... but if it is not war... what do we do?

but again i am a dumb American teenager behind a computer...

I don't think Putin will be intimidated. If we make any threats, we need to be 100% behind them and willing to take action. I don't want to go to war with Russia over the Ukraine anymore than anyone else does, but I know that if Putin continues to get what he wants, with little to no opposition, and hollow threats made by America and the Europeans (Ukraine, Syria, Georgia, etc.) then he will continue to take more and more action. IMO the other world powers (maybe not China?) should come together and make a serious declaration that if these actions continue, they will be met with force. But I highly doubt that happens any time soon, because the Western world has gone soft, and cares more about reputation than they do about actually taking action.

When all this went down, with Ukraine, US sanctions and all, Russia's stock market dropped 12-15%

@Fridge, France and Britain declared war on Germany when they invaded Poland, the invasion of Poland was Germany stepping over the line after the european powers decided to give Austria and Czechoslovakia to Germany without a fight. I don't understand your comment because it is contradictory to history unless I am missing some information and i wouldnt mind being filled in if i am.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

You are right. They declared...


but in my dictionary it's closer to treachery than to help..

Edited 3/4/2014 22:31:56

I think he's referring to the fact that despite being "at war" with Germany, they didn't do anything to prevent Poland from being invaded, and didn't even engage Germany on the western front until long after Poland had been subjugated.

yeah - that's basically what i meant. It's somewhat similar but not quite to what might be happening...

what I meant was - don't say you should stop russia, when you don't really mean or are not ready to do it..

Okay, I see what you mean, Britain and France declared but did not help, even though Germany crushed France a little later and ran the British back to the channel. I could see how this relates to Crimea, not being prepared for a war with Russia which i highly doubt will happen... Russia will do what it wants because everybody doesn't want it to escalate which reminds me of appeasement in WWII as well.

Ukraine’s statement at the UN that 16,000 Russian soldiers have been deployed to Crimea has caused a frenzy among Western media which chooses to ignore that those troops have been there since the late 1990s in accordance with a Kiev-Moscow agreement,Russia is allowed to have 25,000 troops in Crimea...
Western media describes the situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea as if a full-scale Russian invasion were under way, with headlines like: “Ukraine says Russia sent 16,000 troops to Crimea” and “Ukraine crisis deepens as Russia sends more troops into Crimea,” as well as “What can Obama do about Russia's invasion of Crimea?”

It seems they have chosen to simply ignore the fact that those Russian troops have been stationed in Crimea for over a decade

Also the president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych was legally elected by the citizens. The USA should stop defending those terrorist that has taken over Ukraine.

Edited 3/5/2014 00:21:07

It seems they have chosen to simply ignore the fact that those Russian troops have been stationed in Crimea for over a decade

I didn't realize they had been surrounding Ukrainian military bases, border posts and airports in Crimea since the 1990's. That explains why the airport there smelled like vodka...

In warworld 2 germany did the same actions before invading poland

The terrorist are the citizens your talking about the people in a country who want to over throwe there leader

Just like in syria the terrorist they talked about are the citizens ( not al-khaida


If the people the like the there new legaly a pointed leader they have the rite to throwe him out of offices for they voted for him they could vote him out

But the problem is that the leaders never want to give up their power

Edited 3/5/2014 03:45:45

No, the problem is when a small group of people are angry and don't get their way they take to the streets and riot until they get their way. The EU is so unstable and the Ukraine is so financially destitute that Ukraine will probably need about 10-20 years before it's eligible to join. In the meantime it can sell itself to China like the Philippines did or build closer ties to Russia, but the average citizen in Ukraine doesn't understand that.

Funny thing about democracy, the revolution to kick out the leader in Ukraine was not democratic at all and the West supported it. We all know how the US likes forming puppet governments, Iraq is the most recent example. Let's see what the IMF does to the Ukraine in the next 10 years.

Good old Padme summed it up a decade or so ago "So, this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause."

Yes but it wasnt a small amount of people it was every one bcuz there where 2 sides pro government and the people who wanted the leader out...and if 911was true and they realy thought they had weapons then fuck iraq if it wasnt then wow the americans or fucked up not the people but the bankers

Edited 3/5/2014 04:02:28

1) Not everyone was protesting in Ukraine and almost half the country is pro-Russian so how can 2/3 be against?

2) Iraq never came close to completing their nuclear weapons program and the US knew that from the beginning, it was a war to gain strategic presence in the Middle East and it worked wonderfully for the US in the end

The pro russians are probaganda and half the country ant even russian thats the fake news russia gives you

in real life the people in ukrain just wanted a new government who wouldnt fuck them over but they got overrunned be their own citizens and the fake leader if there where western popets they wouldnt of could for russian help so i see that government where realy russian poppets not western

And i agrie with the iragy opinion