Lmao, another dumb stalling forum. Made from someone who has nomercy in his clan. Defended by someone who said he didn't care that Masters cheated in CL.

Most of you guys are pretty cool, but if any of you think you have the moral high ground, please, go fuck yourself.

Why is lynx defending alex instead agreeing it was silly stalling and getting over it? Does that argument make you feel more innocent or better in any way?

I don't remember defending Alex. I don't know much or care much about this incident, but I know he's stalled in the past.

That being said, I don't care, just like you don't care about Masters cheating :)

Either you all are trolling or idiots xD Stalling for 2 hours, for 1 day, for even 1 turn... seriously? You are picking on surrendering 1 turn "too late"? Wow, hats off. You really caught him redhanded before committing another HORRIBLE crime.

"stalling is bad etiquette"

So is harassment, condemning people without knowing the full story, and believing you are superior to strangers for no other reason than a game.

If you believe you still can call out someone in public for stalling, then you are surely a good enough person not to stirr up a shitstorm.

Nobody has stated their superiority because of this game? The full story is shown by Ollie? Why not call out stalling when it happens? Not more we can do as a community, right? I'm getting sick of the ever-going argument "this community is just toxic", which you seem to infer. Has it ever occurred to you that by not stalling you gain more respect than by getting a bullshit trophy? The community isn't toxic to you if you don't act toxic towards it by corrupting the ladders.

Lmao, another dumb stalling forum. Made from someone who has nomercy in his clan. Defended by someone who said he didn't care that Masters cheated in CL.

Most of you guys are pretty cool, but if any of you think you have the moral high ground, please, go fuck yourself.

What does it matter who's in your clan? Ollie called out stalling and has JV in his clan. Is Ollie's opinion worth less because of that? Don't think so. And as far as I'm aware, nobody is claiming the moral high ground. It's just the community showing they dislike this behavior on the ladder, nothing more, nothing less.

I think it's time to cut to the chase. If you stalled, admit it and don't do it again. I know my trophies aren't worth much; i'll gladly say they weren't and i won't get them on runs or whatever again.

Because people act like it's up to the clans to do something. People like to ignore one incident and attack another. Because people in these forums talk down on people in such condescending ways, acting as if they have the moral high ground.

This does not and never will change people's minds on stalling, especially when people are so crazed to do it when it's not even for a full turn.

I never claimed moral highground I simply stated that the stalling is something we as a community need to try to prevent since it hurts the integrity of the game

Don't take it so personal please. Some of you people are uber-sensitive!

Btw, once again, this thread is not about Alex. It is rather ignorant of you guys to continue assuming such a thing. This forum is about preventing future stalling and enforcing the idea that stalling is not acceptable behavior.

Perhaps we can even figure out a solution to the stalling by coming up with good ideas, instead of shit flinging! I did not think my post was toxic, but I feel a majority of the comments on this post are toxic indeed. Please be civil and don't be condescending, or explicit, we're all adults here!

Also people are obsessed with nomercy lol, he isnt the only person in my clan who has stalled/gamed ladders. I cannot change the past, but only prepare for the future. This is a very new clan, and no stalling from Harmony members has gone on since it's creation, that I am aware of. So please stop attacking my clan and my morals because that is not what its about <.<

I have never ignored a case of stalling, and I will treat everyone equally, whether they are a member of Harmony, Lynx, Masters, Outlaws, etc. I don't play favorites and I don't try to come off in a condescending tone, I try to be as civil and intelligent as possible. It is up to the clans and their leaders because the clans are organized and hold the community together. It is up to the leaders to set a good example of sportsmanship, and tell the new ones what acceptable behavior is. It is also up to the clans and other organizations to try to find solutions to these problems, so we can prevent future "dumb stalling threads" and arguments. Denying this responsibility just means you don't care, and your lack of interest hurts the value of the game. You should care about the integrity of the game, and the sportsmanship shown by your friends on this site.

"Show me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who you are."

Edited 10/23/2018 22:28:39

This is why I don't partake in competitive warzone.

I love these stalling threads, watching cowboy and plat waste their time making the exact same arguments every other month is hilarious

@Cowboy

I never said I didn't care if Masters cheated on CL, quit being a manipulative lawyer getting quotes out of context out of your arse and pinning them on me. I said I don't care if either Masters/Lynx win because they're both equally bad of each other as role models for a winning clan of clan league!

Except maybe I should take it back because, at the very least, Master's have been co-operative and honest from the sounds with the cheating accusations and maintain integrity on the ladders, meanwhile Lynx members like to defend their stalling shit till the bitter end. I'm also waiting for the ethics panel to make their ruling, too bad we don't have a similar type of system on ladders to get some justice.

---

Dear Ralph/JJJ,

I never harassed anybody, I simply called your bullshit don't be sad that I caught you out. You joined 1 day and left, thought you had it all figured out! I never intended on making the thread a personal attack on your character, only on your behaviour on the ladder. If you so wish, continue the sneer remarks against me, It shows you up more than me.

Edited 10/23/2018 22:48:29

Dear plat,
I know this is gonna be hard, but I wasn't taking to you. If it makes you feel better, I think you're ugly.

With love,
Cowboob

Can some one think of a time when stalling would be acceptable?

Lets say, a player has no interest in the community at large. To them this is just a game, and they take joy out of gaining accomplishments (like a gold trophy.)

Now suppose they are second place on the ladder. They have never gotten the gold trophy, and it would make them extremely happy if they did get it. If they can not lose for 1 more hour, they will get the gold. Now lets say, they are about to lose. Is it okay for them to stall for 1 hour to get the gold trophy? Why or why not?

My apologies Cowboy! <3

@The Joey , If you need to stall, you probably don't deserve the trophy in the first place. It's bad practice, so if your gonna stall to get it (assuming you are in a lost game) you are gonna get shit for it.

Yeah, don't underestimate the problem of 1-hour stallers.

@TheJoey

I would say that person is selfish, and are damaging the integrity of the ladder they are gaming, hurting the value of whatever achievement they get, and any sense of achievement they get is false because they cheated...

Ofcourse there are a lot of selfish people and that is why stalling is a persistent problem.... of course it is annoying arguing over the same subject every month! But I believe its a responsibility of mine to prevent future stalling, if possible. Of course a permanent solution would be amazing, but there seem to be few of those available.

edit: bottom line is people who stall couldn't get those achievements w/o stalling, and imo are highly undeserved. Anyone can join the ladder and NOT play games, it takes a level of EMPATHY to play through all your games win/lose, and it takes talent to win all your games.

Edited 10/23/2018 23:16:29

How do we define who deserves a trophy then? What if some one had to stall 1 minute. Does a player who is good enough to get second place, and only needs 1 more minute to get first not deserve a gold trophy? If one minute is still too long, what about 1 second? the thought experiment still is, is there ever a time where stalling is justified?

What if stalling is to the benefit of my opponent? What if I know my opponent is about to get first, but will surrender the second he knows he is going to lose. Suppose this turn I have a 50-50 chance of gaining a 'win condition' necessary for my opponent to surrender. Would it be wrong if I stalled to let my opponent get 1st?

Edited 10/23/2018 23:18:13

The idea is that stalling is wrong. The truth is it is hard to define stalling. The reality is we as a community need to prevent stalling to preserve game integrity.

What makes stalling wrong?

Edit: Why is stalling wrong?

Edited 10/23/2018 23:18:43

Why not change it so you have to finish 5 games at 1st place, or something similar to get the trophy?

Otherwise if the rules completely allow stalling, it's not the players fault, it's the games fault.

As I tried to describe, stalling is an unfair advantage and an easy way to inflate your ratings/rank. Stalling is literally stopping losses so it looks like you are only winning. But in all honesty you lost games and don't deserve the rating you have. This can rob others of ranks, and can mess up the gold trophy distribution.
If the max game count were 100, people would just raise game count by 1 and stall their losing games every time, for example, and everyone would be perfect rating until people got booted/eliminated.