It's not something that I would say is right. But one hour is impossible to prove. It's more the accusations and virtue signaling that bother me. Especially since people only care if it comes down to first or second.

And I don't believe anyone here would surrender in that situation.

Not everyone here would need to surrender in that situation, only the losers. And the losers should surrender, because they lost.

edit: imagine if the ladder was only 1 game at a timefor everyone. then this stalling thing would be 100x worse!! but it still effects a lot of players only palying 1-2 games at a time, this is very unfair. why should half of your games be stopped because someone is greedy for some gold?

edit2: for the last time this forum isnt about a "few" hours of stalling, its about the years of history and the dozens of garbage trophies given out lol

Edited 10/23/2018 23:29:38

So much buzz from few hours of stalling? Slow down the show. Who cares about these trophies anyway.

Elitist Rufus

Stalling for one turn is next to impossible to prove. Now if we're talking clear cut examples of stalling, then I'm down with it.


https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15650418

Example ^

Edited 10/24/2018 00:12:42

Blame Fizzer

I think Sora makes a very excellent point about universalizing stalling. If everyone stalled it could cripple the normal functionality of the ladder. So if everyone was stalling there would be major issues, and it would be a problem we need to fix as it would hurt the community. That is undeniable.

But that being said, I think the idea that 'all stalling is wrong' is just an a posteriori belief, and not that there is something that is innately wrong with stalling. Thus I don't stall because I think it is wrong, but instead I don't stall because I am scared of the angry mob that forms every time someone does stall.

But my thoughts are kinda with cowboy, I've been playing this game for almost 3 years. During that time my main goal has been to get good enough to get 1st on the 1v1. Not to be the best 1v1 player, just get that damn little gold trophy, that is it. In my eyes this game has a big element of luck. Thus if a player is good enough that the difference between a player getting that gold trophy, and not came down to 1 hour (not like a 1 week, and not through consistent stalling in order to manipulate the ladder). I believe that player probably would deserve that trophy, and I would be happy for them.

Honestly, if I was put in the situation, where I only had to wait 1 hour before surrendering a game to get that gold trophy, I would do it in a heart beat. I would stall that one hour, than celebrate with a bottle of champagne, because I will have been working towards that moment for 3 years. It is also my personal belief that anyone who would claim otherwise is either lying, they don't care about the ladder, or they have been an elite and accomplished player for so long, that they have forgotten how hard it is to get good at this game. This game is really hard, especially when you are having to compete against players like Platinum, Rufus, Cowboy, alexclusive, Ollie. I mean all of you guys have been elite players for so long, do you all realize how good you people are? How hard it is to try and catch up to your guy's level?

Edited 10/24/2018 00:07:36

I wouldn't consider myself elite, but thank you :D

@Cowboy

If you don't think of yourself as an Elite, try 'looking down' the ladder every now and then. ;) You are a without a doubt an A+ level player

Plat? *takes sip of milk* Elite??! *spews milk everywhere*

Haha you got me there! He's only seven years old, too young to be "elite!"

edit: (inside joke) (well i assumed everyone knew plat was regressing in age but maybe only a few of us now-a-days know)

Edited 10/24/2018 00:22:20

hm, Joey in 101st tmrw? ;)

Its very human to stall for a short time to get the trophy. I agree with this.
The thing about stalling is that the only countermeasure is to stall the staller. If you think it through than the ladder would be no fun at all anymore.

Stalling doesnt make you better at the game, it makes the system misjudge you. So blame Fizzer.

Since you like to think about it in an abstract way that describes an extreme case, what do you think is irght in case you stalling your trophy for 1 hour makes someone else, who has worked just as hard as you, not get the trophy?

also its hard to say "all stalling is wrong" because stalling is a subjective term. my idea of stalling could be veyr much different than yours, but there are cases where it is clear-cut examples of stalling with evidence and it happens often to talk about it and perhaps fixing it

edit: it would be sad to see joey join 101st :'(

Edited 10/24/2018 00:24:39

"Honestly, if I was put in the situation, where I only had to wait 1 hour before surrendering a game to get that gold trophy, I would do it in a heart beat. I would stall that one hour, than celebrate with a bottle of champagne, because I will have been working towards that moment for 3 years. It is also my personal belief that anyone who would claim otherwise is either lying, they don't care about the ladder, or they have been an elite and accomplished player for so long, that they have forgotten how hard it is to get good at this game. "

I agree with you. c:

For real. Stalling is kinda selfish, but it's understandable why someone might do it. As human beings we are instinctively and intuitively going to do things that are in our best interest as long as it doesn't cause a type of harm we feel is significant enough to matter. I think the degree in which someone is stalling has an impact. If you're stalling for an hour or two, or some shit, it's much different than if you're a chronic staller who stalls all their loses to heavily inflate your rating/rank.

And on the topic of hypocrisy, it's true that people are going to be less harsh on their friends who stall as opposed to people they don't care for who stall. Even if NoMercy has stalled in the past, I see NoMercy as a kind fellow who joined my clan to help out, despite not being much of a clan person. What reason would I have to dislike NoMercy if I have only had positive experiences talking to him or playing with him.

a posteriori belifs can easly be true.....
fx. the earth is the third planet from the sun

Sure, why don't you join 101st. We'd be glad to have you.

Harmony would be more glad to have him. >:[

Thanks everyone for the influx of clan offers, but I am on a ladder run right now and that is my main focus in this game :) All clan related activities will wait until after that.

@linberson I like extreme cases because extreme cases are normally where grey areas, and abnormalities exist. You bring up an excellent point, that is a moral gray area. If that situation did exist, I will have undoubtedly caused someone harm, which I do not consider a good thing. But I think these examples need to be considered in context. People can argue about the butterfly effect, but the butterfly effect really doesn't make sense in when it comes to things like, long run outcomes, statistics, and ELO rating systems. Chances are if I were to stall for an hour and get a gold trophy, I will have taken it from someone else who has the gold trophy, and after that hour I would surrender lose the trophy back to that same person (or the person who would have otherwise gotten it). So in the end I will have robbed one person from first place for only an hour. So I guess you could say it is wrong in that I harmed that 1st place person. But at the same time, I still would do it because I am an asshole, and a human. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

These people advertise inferior clans. Even my clan of Hellas is not the best. The true clan for exalted, enlightened individuals is DARKLORDS. Only intellectual masterminds are members of that clan, as they are the most selective on the entire platform.

Great job coming up with that new joke Alexander OK!

Edited 10/24/2018 01:13:28

Jokes making fun of Darklords are no longer cool? D:

I appreciate the support, Xenophon. Compliments like yours are what help get me out of bed in the morning. :)