Agreed with both of you, and I've said my points.

Why do people still think CORP is a diplo clan? xD

Edited 1/17/2019 17:37:10

Hmmm, why do people think Coalition Of Roleplaying Friends was a diplo clan? Makes no sense to me either, very strange thing.

I don't know about Coalition Of Roleplaying Friends, but CORP certainly isn't a diplo clan.

Edited 1/17/2019 17:50:45

corp just means corporation now

Well, there seem to be different concepts here about how to define a clan. I believe we can summarize the two ends of understandings about what defines a clan with the "BRO" classification:

- alexclusive sees clans as a BROthel where players are free to come and go as they please. It's a judgment free zone. People are free switching clans 5 times a year. Back in the days, 'X' introduced the term "clanslut" for describing JSAs clan hopping.

- M'Hunters defines itself as a BROtherhood. You can't just come and go as you please and we don't rat (nowadays called whistleblowing).

Now I'm not judging. Everybody is free to decide whether they'd rather be in a BROthel clan for some non-committal fun or in a BROtherhood clan.

Edited 1/17/2019 19:37:16

Norman, what I wanted to say is that a clan that fits the wishes of its members won't be left anyways, not more... you know that I don't like clan hoppers.

Oh, and there seems to be a third stance regarding poaching, going something like this: "It's OK to poach from the lesser clans but not from equal elitist clans.". Sadly I couldn't find a word starting with "BRO" here :(
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just can't come up with anything funny
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let's just call it the "BROken elitist" understanding.

(Edit: Nah, to judgmental. I desperately scanned https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-that-start-with-bro but just couldn't come up with anything, sorry).

Edited 1/17/2019 19:50:48

So does this mean MH is a clan where I can get away with cheating? I've been looking for a clan where I can cheat without fear and have my back covered by a faithful band of brothers and ONE obviously isn't the place for that.

Don't bully MH One Star General

Edited 1/17/2019 20:27:41

I'm still trying to understand all this clan etiquette, so let me ask a question of you all. Where do friendships fit into clans?

In the above posts there is talk of how each clan has its own community, and I agree. But there are also communities outside of clans on WL. For instance, there is a large community of real-time 3v3 RoR players, even with sub-communities based on settings. I have also discovered a community of large multi-day FFA.

Having played in the RoR community for a couple of years, a lot of friendships have developed. Indeed these days I probably play most of my games with the same 10-15 players, all friends at some level.

Now I am guessing that in days of yore, similar communities formed and then these communities became clans. These days it seems that nearly every longtime player has already been recruited by one clan or another. With that, my group of friends are in half a dozen different clans.

So, with regards to poaching, some of my friends I play with, and talk with, quite regularly. Now that CL is upon us, I admit my clan, Statisticians, has a thin roster. Then I have these friends whom I enjoying playing with. So I ask them if they want to come play with me in CL.

Am I poaching? Strictly speaking, yes. But am I?

Let's see who do I play games with the most. Helpfully, WZ sorts that for you when you go to invite someone to a game you are making :)

https://i.gyazo.com/fb4e81bfb5a9fd7f49140e62080b9ec3.gif

For me, mostly MH, but by no means limited to one clan. I will let someone else define poaching, however [deleted].

So does this mean MH is a clan where I can get away with cheating? I've been looking for a clan where I can cheat without fear and have my back covered by a faithful band of brothers and ONE obviously isn't the place for that.

What I meant by "no whistleblowing" is that BROtherhoods handle stuff amongst themselves. However there they tend to enforce very strict rules but those rules aren't necesarily the rules which the general public sees as morally right. The M'Hunters theme is about "carrying the boardgame feeling of risk to WarLight". Standing for itself this phrase means pretty much nothing, however there are consequences following out of that theme:

- Each and every game is first and foremost a social event. We strongly encourage players to chat during their games.

- You can rage and flip the board in anger and we tolerate you (BlackBart took it a "tiny" bit to far though).

- We do not tolerate you playing your games as if your opponent was a computer. Because of that we do not tolerate the common stalling for a ladder trophy since you fail to recognize your opponents being human. The same is true for players camping the boot trigger. As for the actual act of rule breaking, we don't really care that much. Of course we have guys like TBest who very much care about that, I can't speak for each and every member.

So in other words: If your plan is to cheat by disregarding your opponents through ladder stalling, you would have no long stay in M'Hunters. However if your plan is some stuff like multiaccounting or whatever then, as a clan, we pretty much wouldn't care. However we do have certain individuals who might care, it's never an all or nothing thing.

Edited 1/17/2019 21:32:13

However if your plan is some stuff like multiaccounting or whatever then, as a clan, we wouldn't care.

Condemning stalling but disregarding multiaccounting? The way you are drawing the line seems to be very arbitrary Norman.

Edited 1/17/2019 21:42:32

To those that are mad about clans poaching your players.

Sorry you're not confident that your clan can't keep players, that's your own fault. As a recruiter, one has the right to ask anyone who's interested. If this makes you mad, get over it.

I'm still trying to understand all this clan etiquette, so let me ask a question of you all. Where do friendships fit into clans?

I dislike everyone in my clan.

@TBest Thanks for the comment

Let's see who do I play games with the most. Helpfully, WZ sorts that for you when you go to invite someone to a game you are making :)

I always thought that list was sorted by the number of times you played with that person, not the number of times you invited that person. I am pretty sure my list includes players that I have never invited -- or maybe they just joined my open game?

This doesn't detract from your point, I am just curious.

Condemning stalling but disregarding multiaccounting? The way you are cutting the line seems to be very arbitrary Norman.

If you think in terms of "playing fair" it's indeed an arbitrary line. However if you think in terms of "respecting your opponent being an interesting human being whom you met in order to play a board game" it should make more sense. Of course those two things overlap, however not completely.

Norman...maybe a better policy is “we don’t cheat”. This will save you from putting your clanmates in the uncomfortable position of deciding between maintaining their own integrity and their loyalty to the clan. I personally would be highly irritated if someone in my clan were to put me in that position. Just a thought.