Like I mentioned, many people would like to have the templates chosen much earlier. Why do we have to choose them right before CL begins?

Have the panel prune the templates as always and have the vote for CL12 templates in the middle of CL11. That solves problems, right?

I've changed the map on the Cookies template to the latest version of the map without the wrong connection. The new template link is https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=1208128

The voting process is the most fairest way to decide the templates of the league. Though, if we need to treat time as a valuable resource there is an alternative method that's different to Rento's proposal which I disagree with because your CL templates votes are based on your player's strengths, you don't know who's playing CL12 during CL11, It makes no sense.

Have the 7 Clan Leaders from A, Ask the 5 clans that stayed in A to pick the 1v1 templates in a draft pick fashion from 1st to 5 which can be determined by RNG, Than switch the draft around and pick the remaining 1v1 and the 2v2s and 3v3s. Each clan in A got 2 templates that they wished and it's a somewhat fair process with the obvious con that the B promoted clans and the rest of the league got no input.

There's plenty of flaws to this but the cost of speeding up the process is fairness. You could be brainstorming for hours trying to formulate a system that balences time efficiency and fairness so you get enough of both under one system that needs community approval and audit approval.

I like the idea of a random draw. The panel gives us the normal number of templates and then a draw randomly chooses the templates. Less effort for everyone (besides the panel) and we're not ending up with the same templates as always.

The voting system itself is fair! The problem comes with the votes. Clans vote tactically in order to get "their" templates in.

Voting earlier is an idea, but has the drawback, that the people/clans who are voting are different to those who might actually play CL next season.

I think the chosen templates are fine and as always there are some I did not expect or would have voted, but that's how CL works.

Yeah, I would not mind having the template process earlier like Rento said. We'll get our lineup no problem, but a couple of the templates we have almost no experience on and it would be nice to warm up on them next time.

Did people actually knowingly vote for British Raj base map without overridden bonuses?

That's what the example game above shows: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=11759918


This is what the British Raj template people actually play and likely thought they were voting for looks like: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17471679

It has 4 overridden bonuses, which makes the map less balanced, but more strategic, similar to how ME is more strategic than MME despite being less balanced.

I gotta agree with Nauzhror here.

On another note, the template for Cookies is wrong. It's set to full distribution when it should be random warlords

While I vastly prefer the version of Raj in QM and MDL to what AWP used, and think some people voted on the assumption of it being the other version, both are playable. Cookies being full Dist is a way bigger issue in my eyes.

The proposed template for cookies was random warlords, so that's just a quick fix and not a big deal.

British Raj will presumably have to stay as it is.

It looks like Cookies doesn't honor vacations as well.

If you have to change Cookies, then I guess you could change British Raj as well.

Those 4 overriden bonuses are what makes a difference between a bad template that would never have been selected by the panel and a good one, which was voted high enough by the clans.

I'd suspect neither Edge (who posted the template), nor the template panel, nor a majority of the clans had realised we were dealing with the bad one.

Edited 2/1/2019 09:54:15

So i fixed Cookies and accidentally ruined it as well? Awesome. Rento fixed it, so the template should be alright at the moment: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=1209085

I posted the Raj template like it was posted the seasons before.

I also don't mind any of the 2 versions. It's like someone said. ME or MME both are fine templates, so i like any of those 2 Raj templates as well.

And obviously if Cookie was submitted differently than u need to fix it. For Raj i say that whoever doesn't like this version should have submitted the other one to let the panel decide which of the 2 gets to the voting stage.

It is something worth discussing.

Cookies weren't changed. They were fixed (a missing connection was fixed). We can safely assume that noone wanted to play on a map with a broken connection. While fixing the connection, the distribution mode was changed by mistake and it stayed like that on the spreadsheet for a day or so. But the version submitted was random warlords and the final version will be random warlords.

Raj situation is different because there are 2 versions and both are being played competitively - one in AWP, the other one in MDL and QM. Choosing the other version now wouldn't be a fix but a change. It may or may not be doable, but it's a different case for sure.

As for things like boot times, vacations and booted teammates turning into AIs - they don't matter. Ultimately they'll all be 3 day boot, vacations honored and allowing to take back control 2 times after being booted in team games.

I guess we will have to deal with it then.

It could nevertheless be assumed that the ambiguity of the name of the template might have been misleading for a few clans. I don't think we would have voted it that high if we had figured out that it was this one (and I am honestly surprised Outlaws ranked it #1- hum, good luck to you, Njord ;).

But yeah, I could have expected that the righteous answer is that we all should have been more careful.

i confess i thought it was the other version.... i forget that there is another one

"I'd suspect neither Edge (who posted the template), nor the template panel, nor a majority of the clans had realised we were dealing with the bad one."

I would argue that it's the job of the template panel to go through each game's individual settings to ensure the settings are correct and to be aware of different versions of templates e.g Phobia on WR or SR. Otherwise I don't understand what a template panel is, quite frankly it's a bit of a fail if this is being spotted after the templates were voted and there should be a recognition from the template panel on this front.

So, which is the final template for British Raj?