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The way I see it there is a pretty clear consensus here.
Firstly, 1 ) Rule was broken. It's clear that a slot is always counted in the rules.
2) In this case, invalidating the sub has a lot of disadvantages and extra work that are undesirable (if the tournament had not started, it would have been an easy fix in compered to now).

By far the easiest and simplest solution is to let the sub count and move on. However, giving MH a special one-time exemption is clearly unfair. Therefore, as pointed out by several commentators above, it is perhaps best to separate between slots and subs. In other words, if a player has played 0 games in a tournament prior to being subbed out, that player has not used a slot for that tournament.

Technically, the relevant part of the substitution rule for CL 11 (all divisions) will change from this :

Old Rule

In the event of a substitution, the on-going games for the retired player will not be remade. Only games which have not been created will be allotted to the substitute. Both players will use up a slot playing this tournament. A substitution can be carried out by the CL staff. We will guarantee the substitution within a maximum of 3 days. Any new games created within this 3 day period for the retired player may be forfeit as well.

To this :

New Rule

In the event of a substitution, the on-going games for the retired player will not be remade. Only games which have not been created will be allotted to the substitute. Both players will use up a slot once the tournament has more than one game created. A substitution can be carried out by the CL staff. We will guarantee the substitution within a maximum of 3 days. Any new games created within this 3 day period for the retired player may be forfeit as well.

PS. Thanks for everyone's comments. Also, I did ask both Audit and Ethics to provide their opinions here since there is an obvious connection between me and MH. With the posts that have been made, it seems clear to me that this change is the appropriate step forward.

Edited 2/13/2019 21:58:59

Thank you for the excellent solution, TBest. Hopefully we can all move on with the actual games now.

Thanks TBest!

BTW, I would never try and game match-ups by subbing people after teams are revealed. I would be shocked if another leader would either. We simply put the best we have available into tournaments at that time. I really can't see someone sending a worse player into a tournament with the intention to just sub them out. What do they gain by that?

This isn't like a NHL 'last change' scenario where you sneak your best line out against their 4th line.

New rule is better. Update in the sheet too.

@Chris...I do know that in one of our clan battles a guy from the other clan campaigned for a specific matchup. And I’m sure somebody would be willing to try it if given the option to do so. Whether or not it really gives an advantage is a debatable point

Just for clarification: when I substitute a player A with player B before the tournament begins. Do both players use up 1 slot then? I ask because player A actually never is 'playing this tournament'.

Yes, they both use slots at that point. The one exception being, if such a sub is done before lineups are made public. (An exception I have, since the time between templates and lineups is on the shorter end)

Q2 Thread first page

Are there different rules for A as for Q2 then?

Edit : Ah, I see it was mentioned above already

Edited 2/13/2019 23:08:54

^probably let other divisions know. I just accidentally saw this discussion here.

(sry for not following this conversation in depth, it's just not my division :) )

Edited 2/13/2019 23:12:24

more than one => at least one

Yes, the rewording of the rule was needed and it should solve future predicaments, so what happens for this one-off occasion? Does MH get any sanctions or we continue as normal.

Update in the sheet too.

^probably let other divisions know. I just accidentally saw this discussion here.

Yep. I will cross post it later tonight. Just wanted to give a few hours so any flaws would be pointed out first.

Why would MH get sanctions?

This is clearly all Farah's fault. The simple solution is to give this job to xeno.

You mean the ex-MH member Farah who has a 2v2 CL template named in his honor? Eeeek it's all a conspiracy!

Not important anymore

Edited 2/14/2019 10:08:20

So all this sub and slot stuff aside, what’s up with the tourney wizard neglecting to give me any games to start! I hope at least one game goes quick so we can get started!

So plat can say how you're gonna lose all your games, before being proven wrong.

That unfortunately happens. I think it's a coding issue of the matchmaking or something similar. In 4 players/team tournaments it happens regularely that 3 are playing against each other and 1 has to wait until a game has finished. I can't remember how it was in the past CL. If i had to guess than i'd say that it probably happened as well.

It happens very often, in our outside of CL, no matter the number of teams/players. That is something that should have been fixed years ago, but isn't.

Team A never gets the first games, I used my 3 years of WarZone wisdom to understand this. I may be gaining an clear advantage by using such algorithm manipulation. Now Outlaws are the scumbag clan of Division A and not the nerds who like to follow things by the book.

More time for Bohun to learn English, and this is by far the most biggest reason for this strategy.