I don't particularly expect a remake because I expect even if I get people to agree that abusing this feature in this way is bad, there would then be the question of proving malicious intent on the part of Math Wolf/[ARM]Belson, which I know I can't do outside of knowing through outside sources that Math Wolf has used this feature with regularity in the past and that he interestingly only chose to let it go to boot this turn where it likely would matter, after having an awful turn 2 and needing to abuse systemic bullshitery to try to turn the game around. At best all I have are those pieces of circumstance. I happen to think they're strong and relevant pieces of circumstance, but they're pieces of circumstance.

I just want this aired out so that people know how bullshit abusing a system meant for boot reduction has turned into a system to disincentivize ever advancing a game before timer and for creating mind games on who is actually going to play a turn.

The fact that people are ok with this is sickening.

Edited 7/12/2019 23:04:29

"cowboy i know how much of a fan you are of how long this cl's going so i'm glad you support abusing this feature"

Im just attacking ad hominem with ad hominem.

it isn't ad hominem if the person being attacked isn't making an argument

realizing i should have handled the elements accusing mw of cheating privately

i don't apologize for the concerns with the feature but apologize for how I handled this.

I sincerely hate that this feature can be used in ways outside of simply boot reduction, as I really dislike even the innocuous use of hovering planned actions for the reasons brought up above, but there wasn't any reason to name names in a public forum like this.

Sorry.

Even if I'm right and especially if i'm wrong.

want to note that most of my points above were intentionally not focused on the element of X player cheating, and on the fact that such a feature enables problematic elements, but that doesn't discount that accusing x player were still present.

Edited 7/13/2019 00:48:48

Fair. You'll have to forgive me of not knowing what the fallacy is, but essentially you equate the fact I like this feature to me liking the prolonging of the league.

yeah I know we're just dicks being dicks to each other it's all good

<3

I really don't like to do this, but I find what just happened very disrespectful. So I'll break silence and offer my input.

First of all, in the case we are talking about, it's not me who used it, it's BelSon: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=18581276 So if you accuse me once more or try to make up anything with respect to ulterior motives, I will report you to the ethics panel for slander, I'm done with this. We used this feature several times in multiple games to discuss the moves between teammates, not to try to get an advantage over an opponent. I think it's very likely that other teams used it as well as this feature is commonly known by now.
Additionally, note that using it on purpose to gain advantage would still be legal as well with current CL rules and actually no different than taking back control from an AI, which is also not easily visible and also risks the opponent getting surprised (as happened in our 3v3 vs. Outlaws).

Second of all: I can understand why Smoove got upset. He did a really bad move that turn because he waited until the last moment hoping to play against an AI. If he had paid any attention, he'd known that this feature has been around for months. I even used it (not on purpose) TWICE in the 2v2 FE game where my teammate is AI-Nauz, so he should have really seen it in action before. There are no excuses on Smoove's part to not be informed.

Third of all: I understand that Smoove wants to create drama and undercut Statisticians' good run in A. It must be very frustrating to admit that WG will possibly, some even say likely, relegate again at the cost of a clan they dismissed at the start. It would do him good to accept that has nothing to do with any cheating, but rather with their own play and avoidable mistakes like the one he made.

In conclusion all I have to say is that Smoove would do best to accept that he made a mistake, instead of trying to divert the blame to others. In my professional environment, people who consistently do the latter typically don't last long as after a while nobody wants to work with them anymore.

Edited 7/13/2019 07:13:23

I'm pretty sure that slander isn't against CL rules either.

The panel reserves the right to ban any player for a season for excessive spamming on the CL forum threads. Harassing the panel will result in a ban as well(You will be warned once). Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but please express it in a respectful manner.

This is the official rule.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19109915

Lynx v SNinja 3v3 biomes replacement game

Greetings far better players,
Can MH use their 6th sub for AI in 2v2 Guiroma. Berenbossen in

1. Player out AI
2. Player in Berenbossen
3. Tournament Guiroma 2v2
4. Subs left none (I believe we have 1 remaining)

Though CL panels don't follow many rules, I wonder if this sub can be made.

Edited 7/16/2019 16:10:07

Good point, farah.

Thank you Jeff. Your feedback is much appreciated.

No, I definitely disagree with your point and am reporting you to the ethics panel.

and here i am hanging on :) Can't say I disagree with Farah's point

Farah is still a lazy sod; so https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=19157418 there you go. WG v MH replacement game 2v2 guiroma

Wow, drama. I go away on vacation for a couple weeks and shit hits the fan.

Anyway, apparently we are subbing Smoove from the 2v2 Cookies tourney to Guest

Thanks.