Edited 11/13/2019 15:06:35

I'm actually a little worried. Something must have happened to him in real life to keep him away for so long.

Everyone relax, we’re after the wrong guy. Obviously JoJo is against stalling.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17314477

Clans should be actively discouraging any negative behavior that hurts the gaming eco-system, not encouraging it or sweeping it under the carpet as the Lynx crowd. Because clans are groups of people that want to enjoy the game for a particular purpose and if "Stallers" or "Cheaters" are allowed to be this then this just hurts the game and makes everyone lose and most importantly the game. New players are reading our forum posts and will be forming their behaviors off of them, if we say yes to stallers.. then surprise stallers will pop up. It's about heightening the social cost of stalling to discourage players from doing it. Lynx + GG has failed ludicrously on this perspective. Each clan has a responsibility and should try to take it seriously. If we all don't. The whole thing falls apart.

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"Too bad that Platinum didn't post anything yet. I loved how he cried for 2 years that someone spied Outlaws' Skype chat and then he started spying Lynx Discord himself."

The screenshots were unfortunately leaked from your discord and I got them in a lovely wrapped present from this "Spy". I didn't actively go out to seek this information. Though, I invited Krunx and Alex and whichever Lynx to my Outlaws discord and gave them permission to seek my opinions on Lynx. Because I don't like hiding opinions like teenage girls. I believe the statistic was for every once I mentioned Lynx. My name would be mentioned 10 times in your Lynx server. What does the statistic say? Each to their own. I must be very popular tho!

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My dearest Rento,

Stalling is about intention, scenario, and reward. If you're 9-0 on a ladder run and you need 1 game won to take 10-0 to get the trophy but have 1 game that's lost. You will stall the lost game, win the won game and hence get your reward of an inflated rating to get the trophy. Context matters, that's where you are getting confused and giving the "99% of stalling accusations is bullshit".

When you stalled, it was more of a prolongation stall of a couple of turns and halting games (although with Hades permission hence why you were buttered up to go there), In the case of Alexclusive 2v2's ladder run, It was a scene like the first paragraph. I made the thread and he suddenly surrenders the lost game. To make me look like a "jump at the gun" fool but it prevented him from a cheap trophy.

I'm the player who has made the accusations in the past, I'm more than happy discussing them all since I've always felt you or the Lynx crowd have defaulted to the "Platinum has an agenda against Lynx" rather than debating me if it was actual stalling, which it was otherwise you would've proved me wrong already (if that really was the case).

You can't possibly call out people's hypocrisy when yourself have stalled in the past and you're now being the poster boy of defense, ultimately full of fueled rants where you've called mod an idiot and questioned symptoms of mental disorders. That's a true sign of a not very bright person.

Wishing you all the best,
Platinum

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Hello Kicorse,

My most reasonable minded friend in Lynx, congrats on your QM #1 with Travelling Lemon.

It's a bit brave saying "We'll rise above this" then proceed to have no actions but hope your clan mates simply change their behavior. It feels to me you're creating an image that everyone is after Lynx because they're Lynx, this a lot more cowardly from an intellectual person.

Actions speak louder than words. "Stalling is wrong". Why is no action following? You did for the awful "toxicity" these threads.

It's also brave to admit you could've done better..

Hope this finds you well through your bravery

Platinum

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The line of logic isn't there, I would rather if Lynx simply takes responsibility and simply say "We think stalling is okay" instead of pretending it's wrong and proceeding decide to do fuck all about it.

Don't pretend it's wrong if you will literally do nothing about it.

People aren't that dumb and the more you keep going, the more flaming and people will call you out for this bullshit. Nobody likes flakes that pretend.

I would like if Alex could take some time off from his t-shirt printing and make a statement simply elaborating on Lynx's actual position, do you guys give a fuck or not? and stop with the "Stalling is wrong but we're gonna do it and pretend it's terrible and we disapprove".

Being this delusional is taking the toxicity up another scale then I could possibly do, even if I tried.

Jefferspin is the worst staller ever. He has stalled his retirement for 3+ years. Can someone kick him out of Warzone already?

Moto is alive!

I haven't bothered reading the 2nd page, after the... 1st page. Hopefully I didn't miss much. Couple of thoughts:

1. Some people view stalling as highly unethical behavior. Other's don't - since its legal in the rules, and hence morally ok for them. There isn't a good way to come to an agreement with mutually opposed beliefs like this. The only way is to change the system so that there is no such loophole. There is a lot of behavior similar to stalling in nature, irl, so it won't go away no matter how justified or frustrated counterarguments will be.

All that's changed is that fewer people get mad about stalling, and more people are friends with stallers. Sorry @MOD :/


2. Seasonal ladder is easier to fix than the continuous ladders, because its a finite problem. Here's one example of alterations:

A. There is a hard time limit for joining. No late starts. (Also remove the carry-over of players from previous seasons.)
B. Everyone is paired randomly and matches are determined at the true season start. (Preventing booting is even more important because you have no control over your matchups.)
C. Give people more games/make the season longer. The goal being to reduce the variability between players of similar skills with different opponents.
D. This could result in one large calculation to determine overall elos, rather than constant recalculations. AFAIK this happens every 2 hours anyway, so we aren't adding anything...?
E. If we want a way to rank players, we could track win-counts instead of an actual elo.

This is more work, but I think its also more fair than my suggestion below for the regular ladders.


3. The fundamental problem of the ladders is that you can get ratings for games out of their chronological order. What if games only counted as complete if all prior games are ALSO finished? So I would need to finish my 1st game to lose/gain from my 2nd game, AND to get a third game. Obviously a bandaid solution, but it means people are forced to take the average of several games, not one, when they finish. It also means people will go longer without rating shifts.

I "think" that is a relatively isolated change that won't require Fizzer to rework a whole bunch of ladder stuff.


4. It cuts both ways, not just for stallers. We also have incentive to defeat higher ranked players faster than lower ones. For a crappy example; I recently paired against both Suschel (5th then) and Yellow (19th) in my 1v1 ladder run. Warlight created them consecutively. However, I beat Suschel much faster than Yellow, because Suschel and I both made turns within hours or even minutes of each-other. Yellow made his moves on average, once a day. I could have paired with Suschel a couple of days later than Yellow and still finished him faster, impacting my next opponent.

The point is, slow opponents are a disadvantage. Likewise, fast wins are an advantage. The goal of 3. is to balance both out. Beating the No.5 player was vastly more likely to pair me with the then-No.2 (or 1), than beating the No.19.

(edit: slight elaboration)

Edited 11/14/2019 06:24:39

What if games only counted as complete if all prior games are ALSO finished?

And one troll stalling your 19th game would prevent you from being ranked form month

"And one troll stalling your 19th game would prevent you from being ranked form month"

So perhaps we need a way to autodetect when someone has generically "lost" alongside - perhaps a counter for a generic army/income disadvantage. If we stop every time we hit a "snag", we won't get anywhere.

Edit: It would be nice if you gave me more than a one-liner too.

Edited 11/14/2019 20:49:51

can't believe we're still whining about this 5 years later

Pulsey, are you stalling from becoming level 57?

Or is it just that you don't play anymore? so are you actually... active?

Edited 11/17/2019 12:37:59

When you stalled, it was more of a prolongation stall of a couple of turns and halting games (although with Hades permission hence why you were buttered up to go there)

...huh? I'm confused, what are you accusing me of?

I didn't have time to read this properly, perhaps I missed something. Other than Rento admitting he planned to stall a game and JoJo stalling to get a better opponent in seasonal (which I don't condone), are there any other Lynx cases? If someone could just reply with game links I'd appreciate it.

Someone who obviously stalls and uses it to try to get an advantage wrote: "Everyone stalls once in a while. this thread is pointless. what will this thread do TO STOP STALLING? Nothing."

This is untrue. Not everyone stalls. Stalling absolutely sucks and it's especially bad in FFAs and other games that require perfection to move forward. I really wish Fizzer would institute something to stop stalling, which is morally wrong and a punk move. It's not strategic, it's cheap.

Alas, until that changes, it is something everyone has to deal with. But please don't say everyone stalls, because that isn't the case. I know this for certain because I have never stalled a game. EVER.

Maybe a new "stalling mod."