> "Authoritarian Christianity"
> "Otherwise he'd have made a religion that no one questions"
Pick one.

God wanted Israel to be ruled by Him (a true theocracy) in the old testament, and not by kings, but Israel wanted a king.

No one questions as in, not able to find a question. Don't mix those two, I'm saying authoritarian as how bible says that everyone must submit and not criticise even when it's blatantly stupid.

That's it? Gonna ignore everything else I stated? What about all the bad things happening behind statue and god not being able to do anything?

Speaking of you, you are christian cuz your parents were, you didn't choose it. It's the same thing with all of the religion, religion barely convinces anyone in this era. Speaking of me I chose agnosticism/atheist, I wasn't by birth.

I don't get why missionaries don't preach the bad things that come with christianity, only the good side is mentioned. God sent us his son who god wanted to get killed to justify our sins if you accept him you are saved. Let gone he's psychopath.

Seems like you are trying to find errors in my statements and just ignore the bible full of errors even when it's from a god.

You seriously need to take off your 'christianity' glasses and wear the 'truth' ones.

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No matter how hard you try, christianity will stay shit, it won't turn into gold.

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of some phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

@ganymedes "That's it? Gonna ignore everything else I stated?"
Yes, because I said we were done arguing. My parents are Pentecostal, I'd call myself nondenominational Protestant because I don't believe everything that Pentecostals do and I don't fit into a denomination. If I was Christian just because my parents were and never questioned anything, I'd remain a Pentecostal.

@gany, can I just say: before you turned up, this debate was respectful, with little/no personal attacks on anyone. Please, try to keep it that way. I don't want this to disintegrate into a shouting match, but rather a calm, thought-through discussion. While I don't agree with their viewpoints, Marcus and Aura were able to do this very well. And while I don't agree entirely with Marcus' quote about "no evidence assertion, no evidence dismissal", it certainly has some truth to it: no-one is going to listen to someone who just shouts their view and trashes other people who holds different view, whether that someone is atheist or Christian or anything. So please don't lose your cool.

Here's one for us Bible-bashers 😉

And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.

Galatians 6:9 NKJV

Commentary: Don't stop doing good works for Christ, even when it feels like nothing will come of it and the whole world is in opposition to it. God sees what is done in secret (and in public 😉) and He will reward us one day for our efforts.

The mental gymnastics you people go through to try and justify the word of "God" is amusing.

You claim the book is the word of God, yet the parts that are horrific you reinterpret to be more palatable.

Spoiler: None of it is the word of god. It's all the word of man, mostly that of ancient kings. Its original purpose was to control the masses. Want to create a new law, but you want people to follow it? Add it to the bible, make people think they'll burn in hell if they don't listen. It's super effective.

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@Nauz, the only kings who wrote any part of the Bible were David and Solomon. And the books (parts of Psalms, Proverbs, and Song of Solomon) they wrote were hardly for controlling the masses. The rest of the Bible's author were all people who had little/no earthly authority, and certainly had nothing to gain by what they wrote; almost all the early Apostles were killed for their statement that Jesus rose from the dead. I don't know about you, but I find it mighty hard to believe that someone would willingly die for proclaiming something they know is a lie. Now, in my opinion, the only logical conclusion from this is that at the very least the apostles believed what they wrote: that Christ was raised from the dead.


One other thing: people trying to quote the Bible against us, have you noticed the one thing that nearly all the verses you've quoted have in common? They are almost all from the Old Testament, mostly old laws of Judaism that God overruled after the Resurrection of Jesus with the law of love. Because "the wages of sin is death", atonement for sins required blood to be spilled, hence the brutal punishments for sins described in the Old Testament.
However, when Jesus was crucified, His blood was the ultimate sacrifice, and if you accept His sacrifice then your sins will be forgiven, and you will have life after death. At the hour of His death, the curtain of the Holy of Holies (the innermost part of the temple where God dwelt) was torn, which symbolises the fact that thereafter, no-one needs a priest to intercede on behalf of the people, no-one needs to sacrifice animals to become clean any more; with Jesus' death and resurrection, the old law was removed, and a new put in place. Hence the fact that for Christians, the old laws and punishments in the Old Testament are no longer applicable. Then why are they in the Bible? To show us how difficult it was to come to God before and just how much Jesus' death and resurrection changed things.

Hope that makes sense.

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Done now

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@Nauzhror You're the one who took verses out of context to fit your narrative. I wonder if you'll use Luke 19:27 next to show Jesus taught violence.
For the 100th time, Christianity isn't a list of rules. If you read the old testament, you'd know the Israelites did a poor job of following the law. This shows we need a Saviour and the Holy Spirit to write the law on our hearts and help us to obey.

I don't have time to write a huge script right now, but will try to do so in the morning.

I don't have a narrative. I don't believe in your god. I'm not trying to convert anyone to atheism.

I am however sick of listening to your narrative. Believe whatever you wish, quietly.

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The mental gymnastics you people go through [...] is amusing

I am however sick of listening to your narrative.

Amusing or tiring, which one? ;) (sorry, couldn't help myself)

Believe whatever you wish, quietly.

Also, as I have pointed out several times earlier, this thread is 100% allowed (I even asked Fizzer, and he agreed). If you don't like it, don't click on it.

Genesis 22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
This is a portion from where Abraham offers Isaac to the Lord upon a mountain in Moriah, (likely the same mountain king Solomon built the first temple upon, and later the mountain that Jesus was crucified upon) and one notices immediately how nonchalant Abraham is in this story. This attitude is explained in the New Testament.
Hebrews 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
We can learn here that Abraham was truly ready to sacrifice Isaac, because he knew that God would not allow his promise to make of him a great nation be unfulfilled. Assuming that this is the same mountain Jesus was crucified upon, the beautiful imagery and prophecy portrayed when the ram's horns are caught in the thorns, and then sacrificed in place of Isaac, makes this without a doubt my favorite prophecy concerning Jesus in the Old Testament.

@neo, that is very interesting! I know Jesus was crucified on the hill of Golgotha outside Jerusalem, but didn't know that it was (could be, I don't think anyone knows for sure) the same hill that that happened on... I agree with you, it is beautiful imagery that I wasn't aware of before.

@TLA LND, I have not been rude with any human since the argument began, I only ridiculed christianity and your psychopath god. If I were to accept a god and a religion, it definitely would not be christianity.

And did you ever wonder, why christianity had been a huge failure in India even after 2000 years of teaching? Well, you gotta read.

Views of our first prime minister Shri Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru who had been an atheist: http://aaiil.org/text/books/others/aaiilindia/christianityeyespanditjawaharlalnehru/christianityeyespanditjawaharlalnehru.pdf

Swami Vivekananda an Indian monk and mystic: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_8/Notes_Of_Class_Talks_And_Lectures/Christianity_In_India

Indian philosopher former president and education minister Doctor Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan wrote:
Unfortunately, Christian religion inherited the Semitic creed of the ‘jealous God’ in the view of Christ as ‘the only begotten son of God’ so could not brook any rival near the throne. When Europe accepted the Christian religion, in spite of its own broad humanism, it accepted the fierce intolerance which is the natural result of belief in 'the truth once for all delivered to the saints.'

Raja Ram Mohan Roy criticized Christian doctrines and asserted that they are "unreasonable" and "self-contradictory". He further adds that people were embracing Christianity due to the economic hardship and weakness, just like European Jews were pressured to embrace Christianity, by both encouragement and force.

Philosopher Dayanand Saraswati, regarded Christianity as "barbarous religion, and a 'false religion' religion believed only by fools and by the people in a state of barbarism," he included that Bible contains many stories and precepts that are immoral, praising cruelty, deceit and encouraging sin.

K.M. Panikkar argued that the attempt to convert Asia has definitely failed and that this failure was due to the missionaries' claim of a monopoly of truth which was alien to the Asian mind; their association with imperialism and the attitude of moral and racial superiority of the Christian West.

Ram Swarup insisted that monotheistic religions like Christianity "nurtured among their adherents a lack of respect for other religions"

Arun Shourie urged Indians to be "alert to the fact that missionaries have but one goal - that of harvesting us for the church"; and he wrote that they have "developed a very well-knit, powerful, extremely well-endowed organizational framework" for attaining that goal. In his "widely read and cited" book Missionaries in India, Shourie tried to build a case that Christian evangelistic methods were cynically calculating and materialistic, and to Shourie, missionary strategizing "sounded more like the Planning Commission, if not the Pentagon, than like Jesus".

Acts 17:22-31
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
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You only have one chance, one life, to make the right decision. God puts before us the decision plainly in Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" And in Hebrews, we are reminded again of this one opportunity to get right with God. Hebrews 9:27: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"