Why we are discussing it? They used an official rule as they should do if you don't like it remove the rule and why we are getting spammed with mails to answer in this post from LYNX members?

please stop mailing me

Hahahahahahahahaha

@min you are the blind one here if you still think i spitted on cowboy's work or insulted him. i explicitly stated that on discord and you simply chose to ignore it. do not twist the truth regardless of your stance in this matter.

The only thing remotely close to that is:


Which is a poor statement at best that doesn't "explicitly state" what you claim. But even if it did, it doesn't matter. You posted it in discord which not everybody is in. You posted it on an evening a couple of hundred messages were sent. You posted the bad message on the forum, for anybody to see. It will stay here forever and is clear and easy to read for anybody. If you truly didn't mean it you would've made a clear statement in this thread.

he has written tens of times in differnet servers about wanting apps and masters to merge

Up until Mod proposed the merger the only thing I've ever said is I want Masters playing for Apprentice. This is a lie.

Why we are discussing it? They used an official rule as they should do if you don't like it remove the rule and why we are getting spammed with mails to answer in this post from LYNX members?

Are you saying Lynx has an anti-Masters agenda?

i sent 9 mails to : fc bayern, sexmachine,botanator, diestamenos,mathwolf, beren, recmart, immortal and my friend noname to tell them to react on this thread!
1 more time, it s not Lynx!!It s Zev

Lol this has blown up big time, and after reading the posts the following is my very summarised opinion: Masters should be allowed to take Apps' slot because the current rule allows them to, but the rule should be changed in future. Yes, a clan is about the people and therefore in this situation Master is effectively Apps, however here's the issue - Masters has other (non-apps) players in it who significantly benefit from this by getting to skip at least 2 divisions because they did a merger with apps. This is what I think is unfair.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't there theoretically be a situation where two clans have equal claim to the same slot? (i.e. Clan X has 50% of their point-scoring player leave to Clan Y, so now clan Y has an equal claim to the slot as Clan X under the current rule? Unlikely, but theoretically possible, if I haven't misunderstood the rule.)

In terms of MathWolf's reports, I feel like there is one report missing - the let Masters in but change the rule report. Anyway, that's my opinion, I'll leave the rest to the experts who have been around in CL for longer.

If a clan X retains active players who accounted for one third of their slots (6/18) and one third of their scored points then it is guaranteed to retain its spot.

Clan X referring to the original clan, so no, that is not the case.

Okay cool.
But that slightly backfires on the people>tag argument. In the scenario I mentioned, both clans had an equal claim to being the original clan, since they both had the same number of that clan's players. So there is something in a tag...

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Obviously, but it's a combination of both. Is Apprentice still the same Apprentice despite having alts, one semi-retired player, and a player who never played CL? Masters is literally what Apprentice was without the clan tag.

If a clan X retains active players who accounted for one third of their slots (6/18) and one third of their scored points then it is guaranteed to retain its spot.
If clan X splits and X does not retain both one third of their slots and of their points, another new clan Y can claim the spot if they have active players accounting for one third of that clan's slots and points. If X didn't meet the requirements, while two different clans Y and Z do and both claim the spot then the spot is awarded to neither clan and both must start from the bottom.
Say, Clan X got 90pts and needs 30pts to retain its spot in CL11. Player A, B and C played on a 3v3 tournament where they won 15pts but now only Player A is left in Clan X. In this case player A would account for 5 points(not 15)
If a player goes AWOL (or is suspended from CL), he doesn't count toward meeting the 1/3 of players requirement. None of the points he won count either. If this player was on a team, the points will be pro-rated.

If someone's been banned by the Ethics Panel why should we take anything they have to say seriously? Beren and Deadman were happy to bend the rules in their favour whenever it suited them, so why is the community forced to abide by a rule written by two convicted cheaters? The common sense solution to this situation is to simply create a new panel that will reverse every bad decision Beren and Deadman made.

Masters is literally what Apprentice was without the clan tag.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Masters still has other players who were not apps. Therefore what was Apps is now Masters, but Masters is not Apps. Does that make sense? What I'm saying is that this fair enough for the Apps players, but the other Masters players are (unfairly imo) benefitting from this change.

Would them moving to Apprentice be an unfair advantage? If not what's the difference. It's literally the clan tag we're playing under that is different.

Hm, good point. Didn't quite see it that way.

Edited 4/9/2020 02:43:35

I'd also like to add one thing to this discussion; Cowboy asked for volunteers for the CL panel before the start of this Clan League; some people like Farah and Otterycat stepped up, but overall there were too little people. The only reason I'm part of it, or that there's a lot of masters there is that he had to ask people to join 1 on 1.

Now ofcourse you can whine about anything you want, there's a freedom of speech, but I'll gladly lay down my part of CL panel if someone is willing to put in the work rather than just complain about the ones doing it.

Also want to add that I'm quite disappointed in some of the people posting here. I get that it sucks for FC and Lu Fredd to have to start at the bottom while seeing another clan take a spot in A/B instantly, but you seem to forget that we as Apprentice chose this merger collectively. It's not that we have one third of the points, it's that we have all of them in masters now. You seem to be disregarding the fact that we did in fact move up from Q's to B to A, and whether or not we relegate, that process is still valid. I get that it feels unfair in a way, but if we had recruited them no one would say a thing. In fact mod and moto are already playing and no one did. So this discussion is literally about an emblem in front of our names, and a lot of spite.

I may be biased as well, but if all of GG merged with all of Lu Fredd would any of you say that they should start at Lu Fredds spot rather than GGs? Regardless of which clan they moved into?

@MW I get that you don't want to treat this lightly, but the rule as Glass stated it does exist, and I do not agree this is Audit Panel material. You can revise and correct the rule if you find that necessary, but this is not meant to be some courtroom drama where half our members are left behind with nothing.

but if we had recruited them no one would say a thing.

It was the realisation that I'd have had no problem with Apps recruiting all the other Masters players that caused me to rethink my opinion. Something about it still doesn't sit right with me, but I've definitely got no arguments against the statement that "it is only the tag" that is different.

just a question ?
Why you want absolutely have Master tag when you fought with Apps tag to get there?
Why not just recruit Masters players in your clan ? (Apps)
EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY :)

Edited 4/9/2020 10:18:13

I have no problem with Masters players beeing in A/B!
i only have a problem with Master tag beeing in Div A/B cause it s not fair for others tag

{TLA} LND , Man every (good) player can change tag and play in A or B instead of starting back from D, I don't get what's the problem for Master players.

Bim! yes they should use the App tag but if they prefer the Master one,,,, who cares.