Just because you suspect it was an alt doesn't mean you know who it is (could be someone not playing their main). If someone has proof that it was known prior to the league starting, please let us know.

You own a small clan and you let an alt in without even finding out who he is? Qaqa was an old member of blitz and he was active just 30 days ago, so I dont see how Bananashake could have mistaken desi as qaqa's alt.

Whether knowingly or unknowingly, Blitz clan cheated and fortunately they were caught. They should be punished.

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Pulsey, that would completely mess up the clan league. Group C becomes a joke if Icelandic Turtles and Blitz both lose points from arguably their best players (if alts). The rule has always been the player who played with an alt is suspended for one season (at least that's how it was done wiht Gnuffone), and the clna is not penalized. Who's to say if a clan knows who the player is or not?

By that logic you can mess up the league pretty bad with a group of top players. All they have to do is rotate the seasons they play with an alt for another clan.

Personally i don`t care if I play Xyzclan*Gnuffone or Xyzclan*noob. I would even prefer to play the best players possible, but I can understand the complains of Pulsey, since he has a valid point there.

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I think if the clan knows they should be punished, but that is hard to prove.

I think there could be a discussion on allowing alts in multiple clans (different leagues), but that would need to be voted on. Right now that is not allowed.

There is a swimming relay competition. Team B wins. Later it is discovered that one of their members have taken banned drugs. The other 3 have no knowledge of this. Surprise surprise everyone is stripped of their medal.

Its not really a matter of whether they knew beforehand or not. The thing is that the rules have been violated, and as tournament organizer its your responsibility to do something about it, take away blitz desi's points at the very least, otherwise people will take these things lightly in the future.

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There is a swimming relay competion. Team B wins. Later it is discovered that Gnuffone swam for all teams. Gnuffone apologized publicly afterwards, saying his ambition forced him to get gold, silver and bronze medals in the same competion.

myhand that made me laugh :D

I do not take this lightly. 1.) I asked if i could play for 2 clans and was told NO. So 2.) I expect everyone to follow it. 3.) Wohoo still claims to be Dutch Desires brother. That could possibly explain why he's good...... Lots of practice games from well above average player that is brother. From the conversations we've had I think he is being honest. Also what would Dutch Desire want with my clan? His brother I could understand since he had little knowledge of a real top clan.....

Desi openly admits to be Master of Deseaster, is he aware of the no alt rule?

Your swimming relay story isn't a great analogy. There is an actual deterrent for cheating in there and it is known up front. Also, I am sure those teams test their participants also. How would you have a clan leader test for alts? Unless Fizzer gives all clan leaders the ability to find out if alts exist, we have no tools to prevent deception.

It's like taking away all PCs from the CIA and then blaming them when they don't know a terrorist is going to strike.

There is a swimming relay competition. Team B wins. Later it is discovered that Myhand was the puppet master for Gnuffone who swam for all teams. Myhand steals all the medals from Gnuffone and crowns himself King of Warlight.

Better story. Anyways, my opinion on this doesn't change from last clan league. Strip the points from desi is the best way to do it imo. However you're all going to decide on just banning MoD from the next Clan League. Whatever. To MoD:

you know whatchu did

You can't even check IP's though. Lot of people play mobile and I take my turns at neighbors, home, McDonalds, etc. Alts are dumb. I can understand making a new account and making it your main account and no using the other (what i did).

Pulsey good swimming analogy but the Olympic Rules state that all participants are stripped of medal (points). The Clan League Rules state otherwise.

Lolo - problem with stripping points is we discussed that for WM/GG last season and everyone opposed it. So how can you do it now? My biggest concern here is MOD is in the clan with the commissioner of the league (Miyagi). Did he know and allow it anyway?

No exceptions.
He can be the president of the universe for all I care, if you allow one there will be utter chaos soon enough..

MoD mentioned he asked 5 players for advice about the MoD-desi game on seasonal and what to do with desi acc and i know 3 of the players from the 5 are blitz so i assume the other 2 are masters. Since Miyagi is in lead of masters together with TWM i am assuming they are the ones who knew about it as well.
After that i would say it's the mistake of Miyagi (if my assumption is correct) since he knew about the fact that MoD and desi are the same but also MoD himself for a part since he didn't know/forget about the fact he could only play for 1 clan.

MoD himself on holiday now so he can't really confirm anything at the moment.

About the Wohoo part i found this game: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6419729
Here Wohoo is mentioning something about the picks of GreenTea which i don't think is something a casual player would say but a more experienced player.

Also, how can it be that it's already the fifth clan league and still there are no set rules and penalties for violating them written down?
There are already so many grey areas in the WL rulebook, no need for more in specific competitions.

There are rules. No alts allowed.

What is not set are the penalties, because nobody broke that rule until last season.

We discussed it and the majority wanted not to strip the points. It can be changed/established that all games are auto lost, but that also opens up another can of worms. Intentional sabotage (forcing a clan to lose all their points by joining it with an alt).

Stripping points from games does not punish the player, it punishes the clan (who may or may not know). Better to ban/suspend the player IMO.

I have 3 alts in clans participating in the league...

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