The difference is that I have to make the divisions on the CLOT. Once the divisions are made, it's not possible to change them. That is why there is a deadline. I can't simply add a clan later on. I was going to create the divisions half an hour past the deadline. This has been livestreamed to about 25 people; ask anyone to verify. At this point, I had no roster nor lineup for Hydra, so the simple assumption was you were not playing. Because NWO had a player on their lineup who hadn't logged into the clot, I decided to finalize the divisions 12 hours later, as NWO wouldn't be able to play. I gave every clan the opportunity to send in their roster and lineup if they hadn't done so yet during that time period. It does come, however, with a penalty. I don't want to encourage people to send in their stuff to late after all.
There has been no miscommunication. You signed up as the contact for your clan. It's your responsibility to keep up with events. I'm not holding your hand through the process. You say the issue here is ambiguity, I say the issue here is a lack of responsibility from your part.

Now, no hard feelings, your penalty is only 3 points, which is less than it's supposed to be. I think we can all be happy, and I'll await an apology from your side for the accusations.

Now, no hard feelings, your penalty is only 3 points, which is less than it's supposed to be. I think we can all be happy, and I'll await an apology from your side for the accusations.

What was the penalty supposed to be? Or is that referring to the no lineup = no play rule?

The penalty last season was five points. The official penalty is not playing at all.

This is why you don't wait until the last day to submit. As organizers we like using the last day to input rosters on the sheet and clot, not holding clans hands through a process that they've done several times before.

Why are we not ok with just blaming Farah? What has the world become?

The world's gone mad, I tell thee!

Turtles would like to join CL12, we have jefferspin as first contact and farah as second. We expect to play in Div A. Thanks!

Edited 9/4/2020 15:16:32

Working with a CLOT is different, as you can't input extra clans after running the program, you'd have to start all over. Deadlines are there for a reason, and all three clans that were added with roster late are lucky to be playing at all. Believe me, I get the confusion Benjamin, but there were weeks to do it. Everyone tends to postpone to the last minute, that isn't just you, but it does take away from your flexibility in case you misunderstand, your internet lags out, or one of a hundred other things goes wrong.

You're down 3 points, that you'll have to accept and it honestly is a fairly small margin, it may matter, but it likely won't, and with no consequences there's also no incentive to actually do it on time next CL.

that email was before the deadline ?

Yes

- Yes we submitted our roster after 11:59:59 CET. It was submitted August 29th at 21:29 EST.

is it true ?

Yes

What s the role of Clan contacts ? the contacts of any clan should have been contacted when something has been decided/modified/postponed etc... or simply they are the only that can speak with CL panel ?

The role of the contacts is to keep up with everything Clan League related and informing their clan members.
The other role is them being the ones who can make substitutions, submit rosters and lineups, change rosters and lineups and change rosters during the mid-season registration window.


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since the clan contacts have to keep up with CL stuff and not have to be informed of CL stuff, I fear Farah point is defendable.

@Farah

As the new CL leadership how would you handle 101st promoting to A?

Also something nobody has mentioned about this issue is that there's already built-in failsafe, you have TWO contacts per clan. I mean was the one in SNinja responsible about line-ups and rosters and i was busy and not much around for a while (before and around the deadline) and would have likely forgotten the whole thing actually, but then one day rak just tells me that he has sent in our roster & line-up (latest of my drafts he could find, which thankfully was the version i had finalised bit earlier already) incase i had forgotten it (and told me to check the cl spreadsheet that it was the right one). ^^ So really if you're complaining about bad communication, you should look the communication in your own clan, between primary and secondary contacts, if both of them have access of the relevant information then if the primary contact forgets/is busy/loses internet connection/dies/gets abducted by aliens then you should have secondary contact who can at least sent what you have ready so far (and if it's not finalised you always can use subs to fix at least some of it).

Edited 9/4/2020 23:18:37

And yeah i know my example story might sound like completely made-up fantasy (since it has rak doing something actually useful) but just take it as an example how the system should work :)

As the new CL leadership how would you handle 101st promoting to A?

Like they were any other clan. We already have WG and SNinja playing in A; if there is objective proof of brother/sister clans colluding by surrendering games against each other or something like that, I will be swinging the banhammer around violently.

At the very least Farah, you'd have to delegate 101st/Lynx games to play their games against each other first. Then allow it random for the last 5 or so rounds.

I hope you're not serious with that comment

We already have WG and SNinja playing in A

You should work for an umbrella company, that's ridiculous to put those as the same. Only an umbrella would splurt that out and justify two completely different things and judge them under the same ruling. You can't make that rule and not be aware of the history of the clans. Then hide away under a veil of ignorance of a one-line comment off a decision you never checked the information for, as if you're right smugly (Smug comment was for you Benjamin x).

In a nutshell here's WG/SNinja, two completely seperate entities, where WG was made years ago before SNinja became a clan. SNinja in its early days was lead by Almosttricky who left SNinja to join a superior WG who were doing well. Then WG declined and SNinja wasn't its most active self so it was suggested at one time to join up, it didn't work at all. Almosttricky then left WG as soon as SNinja joined A and then the fairytale victory happened. Any collaboration was simply a way of keeping 2 inactive clans (at the time) some bloodline, think of it as two conjoined twins, where one couldn't live without the other for a short period of time. That's entirely different to what 101st/Lynx is.

Somehow as an umbrella, you managed to put that information as the same as 101st/Lynx who are the one entity, which has a distinct model of players working from 101st to being a member of Lynx. I'm not even going to bother explaining this to you as you were a member of 101st/Lynx so you know first-hand! Your only justification is by being an umbrella, simply pretending WG/Sninja are something in your imagination when in reality they're as far apart as you bothering to educate yourself on basic clan history.

If you want to run this league as a umbrella, totally up to you. But please come up with a better rationale for a decision that has a threat to the integrity of the league. If you make silly reasons up based on wrong information, I'm going to be the rain telling you are wrong and ruin your day.

I hope you're not serious with that comment.

SNinja in its early days was lead by Almosttricky who left SNinja to join a superior WG who were doing well.

What a joke, WG at that time was at the nadir of its existence. They would be unable to even field a line-up without almosttricky in CL 9, let alone finishing one spot above SNinja (whose leader played for WG) that season... he was also their MVP that season alongside smileyleg who also just joined that season. That's how superior WG was.

Edited 9/5/2020 18:10:14

Mate, not what I was trying to imply. Everyone knows the relation between SNinja and WG is different from the Lynx and 101st one. The question is, where does one draw the line? That's what I was trying to imply, but I can see the confusion from my statement. In any case, I said I would swing the banhammer around violently if there was any form of collusion. That goes for SNinja/WG, Lynx/101st and any other clan in any other division. Given that most clans take some pride of competing in division A, I doubt we'll see any collusion, as both colluding clans will be banned.

Also, I'm not an umbrella. I'm a towel.

Edited 9/5/2020 19:43:20

Btw, DRoR started.

Do they just start at random moments of the day? Or do you try to start all of the tournaments at around the same time?