I need to play 12 more games for seasonal ladder, but i did win all the 8 games i played, so i could really give it a go...

One thing I can say, Arrow would at least finish the series. He's active, often asking other players to make their moves!

As for how good rank 35 is or isn't ... well it beats the crap out of my rank 319. (;

So if #35 isn't Masters, who are the Masters? Ends at #34? lol

@Beep Beep Jeep
You're probs trolling, but you're a master at SE. I sincerely apologize if anyone (not saying names) mistakenly judged you in the past.

@Nauz
You can dislike SE; that's fine. But you agreed to an 11 game series. A forfeit is a forfeit. But if I can say one thing, my dear friend, it's that SE stresses the fundamentals and the roots of the game. I only played you for two games, but I could tell you were quite weak at them. Perhaps if you were to actually try to get better at SE, it could improve your Strat 1v1 performance (not that I particularly care). It's better than doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

@krinid
I think that SE is actually UNDER-saturated with masters, rather than over-saturated. I think SE is a map that initially appears so simplistic that people wrongfully think they've mastered it (just like Nauz). But like a lot of games with a deceptively simple ruleset (like go or chess), the game is actually quite deep. You could probably count the true masters of SE on one or two hands.

I don't know if SE has a lower skill ceiling than MME or ME or not. I see the argument for why it does. There are simply more things to consider in the other maps. However for me, that obscures attention from the particular things I actually care about, which is why I like SE. I'm also just kinda impulsive and it's easier to get into SE quickmatches, so that's part of it too, I'm sure.

@everyone
Thank you all. I'll be the first to admit that I do not yet play Small Earth optimally (SE1W in particular, I am slightly better at SEAD). I probably do not deserve the title yet, especially for only beating Nauz, but I will try to be worthy of it. I am continuing to get better at Small Earth and I am continuing to deep study the template (in my spare time of course). I will make sure that I am ready to take on the true SE greats when they challenge me.

Edited 6/11/2021 22:08:23

i might be up for the challenge

i will play sanmu in a bo11.
tho we will only play 6 games considering i will go 6-0

^Joi, I think you mean you'll lose 6-0 ;)

Knyte it looks like there's a lot of challengers. What's the protocol here?

Make a tournament, and whoever wins get to play...

how do I join se masters and how do I withdraw my request to join normal masters

Protocol is to let me play first and lose. we essentially skip all the unecessary steps for everyone else to play

:o this isn't real small earth!
Set no army stand guard to off and starting armies to 5

Also, there's no need for these challenges, if sanmu or anyone else wants to prove they are good at (real) SE then they should join the P/R league https://www.warzone.com/Forum/537328-small-earth-promotionrelegation-league-season-22

or the seasonal ladder for these SE settings.

> @Nauz
You can dislike SE; that's fine. But you agreed to an 11 game series. A forfeit is a forfeit. But if I can say one thing, my dear friend, it's that SE stresses the fundamentals and the roots of the game. I only played you for two games, but I could tell you were quite weak at them.


You're a moron. Stop trying to put words in my mouth, and stop attacking arguments I never made. Strawman arguments should not be your MO.

I never contested a forfeit was a forfeit, I very openly said you can say you won 6-0 for all I care - it doesn't matter to me as I don't give a shit about SE.

Like this is basically the scenario that just played out:

No one:
Literally, no one:
Sanmu: A forfeit's a forfeit, you can't try and claim it's a draw.
Everyone: No shit, Captain Obvious?

As for lacking basics, nonsense, if you want to try and talk shit, feel free to play me at other templates, like I initially requested.

SE does NOT stress the fundamentals, it's a template where the first player to make a mistake, or bad prediction, has typically lost. A template that stressed the fundamentals would be something with a lot more wiggle room, and where bad predictions don't end games.

The entire purpose of the "challenge" in my eyes was to prove that SE has a lower skillcap, NOT that I had reached its skillcap. If your record on it vs me was worse than my record vs you on something I actually play a lot, it would support that argument. You only being willing to play SE made the entire thing rather pointless and gave me little incentive to care about the results.

Especially without coins, I'd still rather play SE for coins than without coins. Why? Because as much as I hate SE, the coins would at least serve as an incentive for me to care.

I care about losing money, I don't care about losing SE games. When there's nothing on the line that I care about, there's little inventive to putting in effort.

Edited 6/17/2021 02:49:57

@Hades: the gameplay is very different if you toggle 1ASG, so it's functionally a whole different template than on P/R

Throw some coins on it like originally agreed upon then, I wanna see how this plays out lol

No one:
Literally, no one:
Sanmu: A forfeit's a forfeit, you can't try and claim it's a draw.
Everyone: No shit, Captain Obvious?

Cringe. Why are you trying to justify fortfeiting, just own it and move on.

SE does NOT stress the fundamentals, it's a template where the first player to make a mistake, or bad prediction, has typically lost.

Even if you do have more of a chance to come back on other templates, I don't see how this is an argument against SE stressing the basics? I would say that someone who has mastered SE will have a much easier time mastering MME (maybe we could make a followup challenge to test this theory :D), than a complete noob to the game, and therefore SE does in fact provide a solid skill foundation. This is just you clapping back with your own strawman argument and shitting on SE.

The entire purpose of the "challenge" in my eyes was to prove that SE has a lower skillcap, NOT that I had reached its skillcap.

But your whole argument is that playing Sanmu in SE will prove nothing about the template's merit, and this is why you don't care about the match? So how did you expect this challenge prove to anything when signing up?

When there's nothing on the line that I care about, there's little inventive to putting in effort.

Again, why sign up if you don't care which way the games go?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me like you signed up thinking it was a win-win situation. Either you beat Sanmu and use that as evidence against SE, or you quit after a couple games and use that as evidence against SE anyway as you are doing now.

> Cringe. Why are you trying to justify fortfeiting, just own it and move on.

No one's justifying anything. He's acting like I claimed it was anything but a forfeit. I didn't.

What I'm criticizing him for doing is attacking a justification I never made or attempted to make.

Edited 6/18/2021 02:53:42

> So how did you expect this challenge prove to anything when signing up?

I didn't. He challenged to a best of 11 at SE. I requested best of 11 at SE AND another template, he refused to play the other template.

> I would say that someone who has mastered SE will have a much easier time mastering MME (maybe we could make a followup challenge to test this theory :D), than a complete noob to the game,

No one is refuting that. I am refuting that SE stresses the fundamentals more than other templates do, not that they play no part in success at SE.

A best of 11 at SE was never something I had much interest in. I didn't challenge him, I begrudgingly accepted his challenge and then decided I cba to keep playing a template I detest. It's not enjoyable, and ultimately that's what I play warzone for - enjoyment. I don't care about the stupid dick measuring. I never did. I don't challenge people to shit like best of 11's.

I didn't want to accept Phobos's challenge either, despite being pretty confident I'd win, and attempted to avoid doing so for over 6 months before finally accepting just to make people shut up about it. I simply don't care for "challenges". All they do is make a game I play as a means of killing time and having fun into something stressful and unenjoyable.

There's a reason almost all my games are real-time, they're low-stress and the results don't matter to me. As such they're a LOT more enjoyable.

I don't enjoy ANY MD format on this game - the reason I'm a notorious boot risk is because I procrastinate taking turns in MD games because I find them stressful and unenjoyable. The more pressure there is to win a game, the less fun it becomes.

Edited 6/18/2021 03:05:39

they call me Johnny Silverhand, cause I'm a sore loser

lmao